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Post by Quick Draw McGraw on Feb 4, 2020 23:19:27 GMT -5
Thanks for chiming in everyone. Sounds like it's Freedom-Arms-Only loading. That's fair enough. Cant afford one at this time so I will listen to Mr. Taffin and stick to normal loads unless I hand over the cash for a Freedom Arms. I love hot loads but have no interest in blowing up a revolver... Or myself.
Special thank you to Mr. Bradshaw and Mr. Taffin for contributing to the thread. Mr Taffin, the article on the .353 was a hell of a good read!
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Post by jfs on Feb 4, 2020 23:22:49 GMT -5
James please tell us that aren't a hundred percent on that situation why small rifle primers are difficult to ignite by the Smith if you would please sir. to light of a hammer hit....
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Post by dhd on Feb 5, 2020 1:24:24 GMT -5
As I read his article too (many times), I have my FA83 357 Magnum ammo boxes labeled as such. Taffin's article probably is why I decided to get one.
I also over thought the whole thing and bought 100 360DW cases, trimmed them to 357 Magnum length, and have used them for the stout loads. They won't hold quite as much powder but they have that thick web. Not a smidgeon more accurate and who knows how long they'll last. Probably more effort than it was worth, but I have them now.
I can only cram only so much H110 under a Sierra 180 fmj bullet, and even then most of the cases just fall out of the cylinder (those that don't fall out only need to be touched by the ejector).
Mine puts a smile on my face each time I shoot it. It has a loud bark with H110 though.
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Post by ss30378 on Feb 5, 2020 6:46:23 GMT -5
I had reeder install an oversized 6 shot cylinder with tight chambers and .002 gap in my Blackhawk. I’ve run taffins 353 level loads and have actually exceeded his data when loading to 1.8” OAL. Primer pockets will give out before anything. Loading at 1.8” capacity is nearly the same with 180s as it is with 125s at saami spec length.
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Post by squawberryman on Feb 5, 2020 7:56:39 GMT -5
SS that IS special. Can you describe the recoil?
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Post by bradshaw on Feb 5, 2020 8:01:44 GMT -5
The cartridge case is the head gasket of a modern firearm. Cartridge brass is not all equal. To seal the loading end of the chamber, head/web area is thicker & harder than case wall at mouth. Sizing and firing work brass. Perhaps a little known secret, not all brass is made with the reloader in mind. No brass is made to accommodate reloading at proof levels. Bench rest brass exhibits long loading life at high pressure because case, chamber, and dies closely match. The same loading life cannot be expected of a six gunner’s brass. To top it off, a single BLUE PILL loading shortens case life much more than moderate loads repeated.
I remember silhouetters buying .44 Mag proof brass cheap.... case-splitting on the first or second reload.
During the time I collaborated with Federal Cartridge to develop a .44 Mag silhouette load around the Sierra 220 FPJ (Full Profile Jacket), I worked up some Rocks & Dynamite loads in the S&W M-29 8-3/8-inch. Testing included accuracy shooting from Creedmoor. I conceived the Kevlar Blast Shield to lay against my leg, which Jerry Moran had made by Richard Davis of Second Chance. Shooting @ 100 meters (110 yards) on hot-rolled 1/2” mild steel pigs. The Sierra 220 FPJ fairly sizzled, cratering the mild steel enough to insert half a fingernail. Relatively little shooting, didn’t do much to the gun. Later, Al Plaas at Smith & Wesson overhauled the revolver, pronouncing it fit when he was done. Before that, however, Federal tried these crater-makers in Minnesota, calling to say they’d blow up a Marlin lever action and we’d better back down.
When you think about it, my overcharge of canister Win 296 or H110 may reach its pressure dome forward of the chamber----a characteristic of the .44 Magnum----with the cylinder gap providing a relief. I suspect a forward pressure curve took apart the Marlin. Pressure is more than just psi at peak, it is also shape, time, and location. If Ronnie Wells wasn’t so busy cranking grip frames, I’d ask his take, as he has knowledge in the chemistry of combustion. I don’t know pressure profiles for the .357 Mag, beyond the 125 grain JHP providing entertainment at the cylinder gap. (My brief and obnoxious foray with 110 grain JHP in .357 suggests considerable less efficiency than with the 125 JHP.)
Below one-shot .357 Mag loading levels in the Freedom Arms, I rank the Blackhawk as considerably tougher than the S&W M-27/M-28. Mainly centered on wear & tear prospects, not raw cylinder strength----which no one should test. Note, also, stop notch on S&W is at rear of cylinder. Laymen should not even set foot on the metallurgical discussion. To treat INTERIOR BALLISTICS as a casino is to seek an outcome predictable as nightfall, like picking up a water moccasin or swimming with crocodiles.
It’s not for nothing Dick Casull settled on a 5-shot cylinder. David Bradshaw
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Post by ss30378 on Feb 5, 2020 11:08:46 GMT -5
SS that IS special. Can you describe the recoil? It’s a heavy gun, even at full tilt it’s not bad. At high pressures with 180s it’s a quick pulse that smacks your hand but doesn’t twist the wrist like a heavy bullet big bore does. It is however very loud with a sharp piercing crack so bring the ear plugs.
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Post by dhd on Feb 5, 2020 13:31:01 GMT -5
I read John Taffin's article about it recently and was really interested in trying it out. But short of the Freedom Arms Model 83, is there a revolver that can handle it? ***** Quick Draw Mcgraw.... looked up “.353 Casull,” could not find diddly. Freedom Arms chambered the Model 83 in .357 Mag and called it the Model 353. Quite a far cry from a “.353 Casull.” If you’re asking which revolver can handle loads equal in pressure to the Freedom Arms M-83/M-353, you may end your search on the doorstep of Freedom Arms. David Bradshaw I do like how you can answer a question! In other places, such as some other forums, you might be described as blunt or rigid, but I find your answers tinged with good humor. There's also the known that your answers have more than a bit of "been there, done that". No one can ask if that was smoke being blown up your butt when you reply.It's good stuff! I've enjoyed reading TAFFIN for the same reasons. These revolvers (FA83 357 Magnum) seem to go through a popular/not popular stage and questions pop up from time to time about the TAFFIN article. Each time I see the topic pop up, a few always state that they have to get one of the revolvers. My shooting partner called FA a couple weeks back to ask a question about his, and he spoke to their gunsmith (I've spoke to him too at one point but can't remember his name but many of you know it) and he said to the effect that when they made the 353 or FA83 357, that he didn't really have a huge interest. He has his own of course, and after playing with it a lot, he eventually "got it". Seems that he uses AA9 as the gasoline and has done some wild stuff with it.
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Post by texashoosier on Feb 16, 2020 13:25:21 GMT -5
Get a .357 BFR and extend the chambers for the .360 Dan Wesson. The Starline .360 DW brass has the same thick web as their .357 Maximum brass. If you are craving a double-action, take a look at using the .360 DW in the Taurus .357 Raging Hunter.
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Post by Encore64 on Feb 16, 2020 14:04:43 GMT -5
Get a .357 BFR and extend the chambers for the .360 Dan Wesson. The Starline .360 DW brass has the same thick web as their .357 Maximum brass. If you are craving a double-action, take a look at using the .360 DW in the Taurus .357 Raging Hunter. This is great advice and would prevent ammo from entering the wrong gun.
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Post by awp101 on Feb 16, 2020 14:09:37 GMT -5
Get a .357 BFR and extend the chambers for the .360 Dan Wesson. The Starline .360 DW brass has the same thick web as their .357 Maximum brass. If you are craving a double-action, take a look at using the .360 DW in the Taurus .357 Raging Hunter. Egads, there's 2 suggestions the inveterate tinkerer in me didn't need to see...
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Post by cas on Feb 16, 2020 15:44:57 GMT -5
Yup and "economical" (cough) as you'd only need to ship the cylinder out to be rechambered.
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Post by Encore64 on Feb 16, 2020 15:56:26 GMT -5
Yup and "economical" (cough) as you'd only need to ship the cylinder out to be rechambered. This would be an easy "DIY" rechamber job...
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Post by cas on Feb 16, 2020 16:01:34 GMT -5
I've turned a few 45-70's into 45-90's (and reamed a few thousand 45 cylinder throats lol) , but I think I'd still pay someone to else.
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Post by whitworth on Feb 16, 2020 16:34:34 GMT -5
Thanks for chiming in everyone. Sounds like it's Freedom-Arms-Only loading. That's fair enough. Cant afford one at this time so I will listen to Mr. Taffin and stick to normal loads unless I hand over the cash for a Freedom Arms. I love hot loads but have no interest in blowing up a revolver... Or myself. Special thank you to Mr. Bradshaw and Mr. Taffin for contributing to the thread. Mr Taffin, the article on the .353 was a hell of a good read! The BFR can handle those levels as well and long cylinder allows for long bullets.
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