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Post by ezekiel38 on Feb 12, 2019 11:38:13 GMT -5
I'm in the process of purchasing a semi auto pistol, 9mm from a person at another location within the state. He says he can ship it to an FFL for delivery to me without using an FFL licensee on his end of the shipment. I am confused? I was under the impression, due to our store policy, that the firearm had to go from FFL to FFL on a sale. Even if it was from a private party to a licensed dealer.
Help me out here please.
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Post by squigz on Feb 12, 2019 11:50:41 GMT -5
Most FFLs won't accept a firearm from a non-FFL individual. Mine specifically will not do that, they require a FFL on both sides. I've seen a lot of sales on GB that say "Your FFL must accept a non-FFL shipment with a copy of my drivers license" etc. I've always been weary of those sales since in my state (PA), the transferer needs to sign the paperwork to make it legal for the buyer to receive the firearm, at least in the case of a pistol.
If a firearm needs to go back to the manufacturer, then you can ship it to the manufacturer to be worked on, etc and then it can come back directly to you without having to go through an FFL.
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Post by caryc on Feb 12, 2019 13:20:41 GMT -5
I needed to ship a revolver back to Ruger for work. I knew that I could ship it to Ruger by FedEx without an FFL involved. So I took it to a place where they did FedEx shipping. The lady at the counter told me, "we can't ship a firearm. My arguing with her was getting me nowhere so I told her I wanted to talk to her boss. Her boss was not there so she got on the phone to someone. I guess this person was higher up the chain than her.
I explained to this person that I was shipping the firearm directly back to the manufacturer. She had me wait on the phone for what seemed like five minutes. I assume she was going through her rule books. She finally came back on the phone and said that I was right and I could ship it "overnight".
My point is that if you are not at an actual FedEx regional shipping facility, the desk clerks will probably not know the rules so, be ready to do a little arguing and insist on talking to someone further up the chain.
If you or anybody is not shipping dirctly to the manufacturer, you will need an FFL number to ship it. Or you could lie and just seal it up in a box and ship it. But then if your gun disappears, you are out of luck as you need to prove the value of the contents of your package.
Back when I was making custom grips, maybe 6 or 7 years ago, I had a guy send me a package by USPS. I was shocked to open it and see that he had sent me his whole revolver rather that just the grip frame. I packed up the gun in the same carton and took it back to the post office to send back to him. Of course they didn't know it contained a firearm. But, since I had opened the box, I could not just "return to sender", I had to pay for the return postage. I was very nervous for a while but the package did get back to the owner with no problem. He then sent me back his grip frame only and got his grips.
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Post by zeus on Feb 12, 2019 14:46:54 GMT -5
I’ve never had a problem shipping a firearm as an individual with FedEx. They can do it two day as well. I’ve looked in their book they keep at the desk with them due to new employee not long ago.
But they used to only ship overnight. Not sure when that changes. I imagine each location is slightly different as they don’t all have same knowledge of the rules. But the book here clearly stated two day.
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Post by msauter on Feb 12, 2019 16:00:29 GMT -5
So, there are really two issues in play here ....
1. Can the individual ship it to the FFL? Yes.
2. Will the FFL accept the shipment from the individual? Maybe. It is up to the receiving FFL.
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Post by nicholst55 on Feb 12, 2019 16:21:01 GMT -5
Depending on state law, you may be able to ship the handgun directly to the purchaser. Sales within the same state are often treated differently than interstate sales. In Arizona, for example, I could ship a handgun directly to the buyer who also lived in AZ.
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Post by bushog on Feb 12, 2019 16:21:19 GMT -5
Most FFLs won't accept a firearm from a non-FFL individual. Mine specifically will not do that, they require a FFL on both sides. I've seen a lot of sales on GB that say "Your FFL must accept a non-FFL shipment with a copy of my drivers license" etc. I've always been weary of those sales since in my state (PA), the transferer needs to sign the paperwork to make it legal for the buyer to receive the firearm, at least in the case of a pistol. If a firearm needs to go back to the manufacturer, then you can ship it to the manufacturer to be worked on, etc and then it can come back directly to you without having to go through an FFL. My experience has been that most FFLs will accept from a non-FFL holder. I do it all the time, just include a copy of driver's license. |
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Post by squigz on Feb 12, 2019 16:40:55 GMT -5
Most FFLs won't accept a firearm from a non-FFL individual. Mine specifically will not do that, they require a FFL on both sides. I've seen a lot of sales on GB that say "Your FFL must accept a non-FFL shipment with a copy of my drivers license" etc. I've always been weary of those sales since in my state (PA), the transferer needs to sign the paperwork to make it legal for the buyer to receive the firearm, at least in the case of a pistol. If a firearm needs to go back to the manufacturer, then you can ship it to the manufacturer to be worked on, etc and then it can come back directly to you without having to go through an FFL. My experience has been that most FFLs will accept from a non-FFL holder. I do it all the time, just include a copy of driver's license. Must just be the individual shops we deal with. None of the local ones I go to will accept it from an individual, unfortunately, regardless of information passed along with the firearm. |
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Post by nolongcolt on Feb 12, 2019 17:05:06 GMT -5
I ship rifles all the time to FFL's as an individual. But I ship rifles by USPS only, I refuse to get raked over the coals by the brown box and the idiots at FedEx. Whenever I have tried to ship anything with them, it has to go overnight and then have to take it in the shorts! Speaking of FedEx, I have furnace filters shipped by them to me from Cal, arrived at the local hub on the 5th. I still don't have them. Weather event exceptions,(snow) sat for two days without moving, roads were good, more weather events, snow, and still waiting. Supposed to come today, but now the snow is melting so they probably wont make it, too wet or something. Idiots!
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Post by magnum314 on Feb 12, 2019 17:54:04 GMT -5
So, there are really two issues in play here .... 1. Can the individual ship it to the FFL? Yes. 2. Will the FFL accept the shipment from the individual? Maybe. It is up to the receiving FFL. This. |
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Post by bushog on Feb 12, 2019 18:02:12 GMT -5
I'm suffering from Deja vu!
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Post by ezekiel38 on Feb 12, 2019 21:25:17 GMT -5
Dug around a little today, thanks for all the input. Your replies motivated me. Apparently in Idaho an individual can ship to an FFL with a copy of driver's license in the box, a copy of the receiving FFL, and the name and phone number of the person the will receive the firearm. In my case I will be charged $20.00 for the logging in of the weapon to the FFL and for filling out a 4473.
Thanks Tom
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Post by boxhead on Feb 12, 2019 23:20:18 GMT -5
These folks will save you money and make it pretty painless as well. I have sold $3500 handguns and $7000 rifles using them with zero issues. Really a well set up organization from Bud's Guns. www.shipmygun.com/go/ |
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Post by AxeHandle on Feb 13, 2019 6:57:36 GMT -5
My FFL does FFL to FFL only. He says that if the shipper is NOT a FFL and there is a problem with the shipped item there is not much he can do if the seller doesn't want to. FFLs can ship USPS pretty cheap. My recommendation is to bond with a local FFL and get stuff shipped for little more than cost.
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Post by mindustrial on Feb 13, 2019 12:37:57 GMT -5
Within state, no FFL required on either end (at least in OH). The problem lies in the shipping company.
UPS company policy: no Firearms. Some locations will, still not policy.
Fed Ex: overnight only. If going to another state, must go to FFL, who will require copy of your DL. I always provide Fed Ex with Copy of receivers FFL also.
USPS: Handguns from FFL only. If you ship rifles, they have right to inspect gun before they accept. I always take pictures of gun being packaged, I tell them I did this, and they have asked to see pics all 3 times.
Many clerks do not know or understand their own shipping policy, so a non FFL trying to ship is always a crap shoot. I have always been fortunate to deal with knowledgeable folks.
I have even been a courier for my FFL (in state).
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