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Post by bobwright on Jan 3, 2019 11:48:01 GMT -5
Mike Harvey, president of Cimarron Firearms, circulated a letter via email.
In essence, he states that all Uberti made Single Action revolvers will have the safety hammer/firing pin installation. He said, as most know, that cocking the hammer of these guns produces only three clicks, not the customary four.
He has contacted Uberti, and they must defer to their legal department and retain the safety. However, Cimarron imported guns will have the four clicks to satisfy purists.
Pietta made guns are still of the original Colt style action.
Bob Wright
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Post by gator89 on Jan 3, 2019 11:56:41 GMT -5
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Annual Letter from Cimarron President
Mike Harvey
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Howdy friends! It has been another busy and exciting year for us at Cimarron. In fact, it was our biggest year ever! We have been hard at work developing new products, and striving to keep our existing products as authentic as possible.
Earlier in the year we were informed by Uberti that all of their single action revolvers would now feature a modern safety hammer. The new hammer would feature a retractable firing pin which would not strike the cartridge if the trigger was not engaged. Cosmetically this hammer looks like an authentic Colt SAA hammer. However, one noticeable difference was that when pulling back the hammer there are only three clicks instead of the four clicks that you would have on an authentic Colt SAA. For Cimarron, this was not ok! Cimarron stands for quality and authenticity in its products and only having three clicks was not authentic enough for us. Cimarron fought hard and were able to hold on to the standard four click hammer on our Old Model frame revolvers. Cimarron/Uberti manufactured Pre-War frame revolvers feature the modern safety hammer as dictated by their legal team. This only affects Uberti manufactured revolvers however, as Pietta manufactured revolvers still feature the standard four click action.
Last year we introduced the ’62 Pocket Navy Conversion. It was to be available in .380ACP with a 3” barrel. After months of waiting, the ATF informed us that we needed to work on the safety mechanism. We quickly responded by working with Uberti to change the safety, and resubmitted the gun for approval. Again, months of waiting… waiting until the ATF responded that the 3” barrel made the gun too light! OK!!! So now we have changed the barrel from 3” to 6” and are now on track to release this highly anticipated revolver! Cimarron's '62 Pocket Navy Conversion authentically reproduces those early, coat pocket-sized cartridge conversion revolvers, produced by the Colt factory from around 1873-1880. Available as a 6-inch round-barreled, ejectorless model, this 21st century fistful of pistol is chambered for the feisty .380ACP cartridge! This handy little, 5-shot revolver utilizes the Uberti patented firing pin safety so we can load all 5 chambers and sports a rich, historically accurate blued finish, with a color case hardened frame, brass trigger guard and back strap, and an attractive, one-piece varnished, walnut stock. Due to the 6 inch barrel we now kiddingly refer to this little gem as the ‘Pocket Buntline’.
Continuing our tradition of re-introducing legendary firearms, Cimarron now offers the Model No. 3 American, First Model, made from an original in the Cimarron Collection. It was a long road in development with Uberti due to tooling delays and required changes. We went through a few prototype iterations, turning down some unacceptable attempts, sending Uberti back to the drawing board. No corners were cut in reproducing this Cimarron replica. It's as close to the original as possible, yet it is capable of handling modern factory smokeless ammunition in such popular cowboy rounds as .45 Colt, .44-40, .44 S&W Russian and .44 Special. Cimarron's Model No.3 American features such details as the early 1st Model frame and grip, the correct-style case colored top latch, trigger guard and hammer. Grips are period, two-piece walnut and the sixgun is offered in blued finish or nickel (both with the color cased parts as described). Civilian or military models are available. Military revolvers are martially marked with the U.S. markings, inspector stamps and a grip cartouche. The detail is perfect. In the end the Uberti crew came through for Cimarron, producing what may be the finest replica produced, ever, by anyone.
Cimarron Firearms pays tribute to the American Civil War with ‘The Blue and The Gray’ series revolvers. Each of these revolvers features either a Union or Confederate sterling silver flag inlaid in the walnut grip. These revolvers will be produced in limited quantities so get your favorite, or the whole set! They come with certificates, making them great collectors pieces.
The El Malo has been a hit since we introduced it a couple years ago. Now we have added the El Malo2. Like the El Malo, the El Malo2 features an octagon barrel; but the El Malo2 will feature your choice of a checkered 1860 Army grip or the stylish Thunderball Birdshead grip. These affordably priced revolvers are already a hit!
We are very excited to release our 1847 “Walker’s Walker” Models. Celebrating the 1st 200 years of the Texas Rangers, 1823 – 2023, Cimarron is producing a very special run of Walker revolvers duplicating the exact total production of the 1100 originals manufactured in 1846 by Samuel Colt. Each Walker revolver is marked as exact as possible to the original (and that is a lot of special military markings) and have been aged to look exactly as a used original. They will be made in groups exactly as the originals were made and marked with company and issue numbers as were the originals:
Company C - No. 001 thru No. 220,
Company A - No. 001 thru No. 220,
Company B - No. 001 thru No. 220,
Company D - No. 001 thru No. 220,
Company E - No. 001 thru No. 120,
then 100 Civilian numbered 1001 thru 1100
These will be cased in an attractive glass topped American Walnut presentation case with flask and nipple wrench. The case will be marked with the Former Texas Ranger Foundation badge in the lower center, on the left of the badge, “TEXAS RANGERS 1823 – 2023”, and on the right side of the badge, “ 200 YEARS of LEGENDARY LAW”.
The highlight of our year, and maybe our lives, was presenting a Deluxe Texas Ranger Engraved Frontier revolver to Chuck Norris at the annual Former Texas Rangers Foundation Gala in San Marcos, TX. You can see in the picture above that everybody had a great time. We are grateful to the FTRF for reaching out to us and suggesting that we present the revolver to Mr. Norris, with a special custom serial number CHUCK1.
I’m sure I’m forgetting something, but there is still much more to come so I’ll get to it next time. Thanks for your continued support of our classic Old West guns and Cimarron Firearms Co.
Mike Harvey
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Post by Sarge on Apr 28, 2019 14:34:22 GMT -5
I'm going to give this thread a kick. First, thanks for posting the info that Uberti is going to the floating firing pin safety. I'm in the market for a basic 1873, 4 3/4" 45 Colt and after reading numerous reports that finessing the trigger results in misfires with these, I definitely don't want one. I don't want a transfer bar gun either; partly because they require extra work to get a crisp trigger and partly because of the weird trigger position that results. I do carry six-up on occasion and consequently prefer a little something between the hammer & frame. Does anyone here know of a current offering that uses the T-Bar hammer block, as seen here? Thanks in advance for any relevant responses.
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Post by bobwright on Apr 28, 2019 16:44:19 GMT -5
The only revolver I've seen with that hammer block is my Open Top Navy from Cimarron. And it requires a screw driver to engage/disengage. Totally useless to me.
If I'm going with a full six rounds, I'll stick with a New Model Ruger.
Bob Wright
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Post by ericp on Apr 28, 2019 20:04:22 GMT -5
I had an older Open Top with that safety as well. Like Mr. Wright's example it required a screwdriver to engage/disengage so it was never used and eventually removed.
Eric
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Post by magnum314 on Apr 28, 2019 20:14:53 GMT -5
The only revolver I've seen with that hammer block is my Open Top Navy from Cimarron. And it requires a screw driver to engage/disengage. Totally useless to me. If I'm going with a full six rounds, I'll stick with a New Model Ruger. Bob Wright Honestly...this.
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Post by 45dragoon on Apr 28, 2019 21:42:05 GMT -5
I recently had a new "retracting" firing pin El Patron through the shop (my first) and it was pretty straight forward. Besides the "click count", was pretty happy with the result . The customer was interested in a user installable " defeat " for the retracting safety ( resulting in a safe with 5 only for competition purposes) which gave me the opportunity to make a pattern for a "defeat". This also allows the owner to return the revolver to " as issued " condition. I was impressed with the ability to carry 6, hammer down. My personal El Patron Comp. had the above safety which I think is most excellent and I carried 6 anyway but, hammer down on live means . . . you didn't forget anything! The one that left the shop had my complete tuned coil sprung action (trigger, bolt and hand) and tuned factory main. Complete with an action stop and a bolt block, it's ready for any shooting the owner wants.
Mike
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Post by Sarge on Apr 28, 2019 22:56:24 GMT -5
It was, I am told, real common on Uberti SAs for a several years. Another view- Not interested in another Ruger for my own reasons. I wouldn't run from a used Cattleman with this feature. I have no issue with the new, retracting firing pin if it works. As I mentioned, I've read several accounts of light strikes if the trigger is pressed in the manner of bullseye shooting. I some of you have used the retracting firing pin in that manner with no problems, I'd like to hear that too.
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Post by 45dragoon on Apr 29, 2019 7:38:36 GMT -5
Yap, I think that is the best safety system ever devised for use on a S.A. for the "Colt" action crowd.
As far as the new retracting pin sys. I think the light strikes and ftf's is more "technique" oriented in the competition crowd. If the finger is off trigger at last possible instant, the pin may be touching the primer . . . but that's all. The example I had in the shop had the firing pin peeking through the breech face immediately as soon as the trigger had any movement from the rest position. Since the trigger is in its normal rear position at firing, that should be more than enough for full f.P. protrusion. I didn't have any problems with the system lighting off primers in the shop (and I did do some controlled trig. let offs (no movmt. after let off)). I was using this example as an interview for my next purchase as well. As far as I could tell, it passed but, it is 1 and only 1 example. I've been tempted (heavily) lately to go with an 1875 or even a '90 Remington pattern to replace my El Patron Comp. As far as I know, I'm the first to coil spring a Remington S.A. action (trigger, bolt and hand). It really takes that revolver to a "lifetime reliability" status. Again, with a bolt block and action stop it's quite a beast!!
Mike
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Post by Sarge on Apr 29, 2019 9:27:08 GMT -5
Thanks for the reply 45dragoon. You articulated my other concern about the retracting pin; how it will function with over-travel limited. But I've seen the same gremlin in transfer bar guns, where the manufacturer (hails from Southport) is routinely stingy with firing pin protrusion. You find the sweet spot for that particular gun. I like the Remingtons myself, but the Uberti Gunfighter (1860 grip frame) is sorely tempting me to be a beta tester for this newfangled damn magic firing pin
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Post by Rimfire69 on Apr 29, 2019 10:10:07 GMT -5
Hey Sarge, I have a Uberti with the hammer pictured above. I was apprehensive to begin with, but have experienced no trouble what so ever. While not traditional, it seems to work just fine, try it out.
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