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Post by win1894s on Jan 1, 2019 18:53:02 GMT -5
Any one have thoughts or opinions on this ?
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Post by Stump Buster on Jan 1, 2019 20:25:52 GMT -5
After working all the Lake County Fires over the past few years...
"Fire Proof" Safe = No Such Thing
IF the fire gets put out quickly and the safe is against an exterior wall (far from the start of the blaze), you MIGHT be in luck, but most safes don't do well.
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Joe S.
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Post by Joe S. on Jan 2, 2019 22:19:49 GMT -5
My dad stores his in fire proof filing cabinets. But i agree with Stump Buster. If the fire gets hot enough and is close enough, it aint gonna be much help.
I will say the tracks are heavier duty on the fire proof filing cabinets so they support the weight if the ammo better than a standard filing cabinet.
Storing them in a safe, you will likely have to reinforce the shelving, depending on how much ammo you are talking.
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Post by Dennis on Jan 3, 2019 9:53:55 GMT -5
Any one have thoughts or opinions on this ? Why? |
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Post by win1894s on Jan 3, 2019 10:03:03 GMT -5
Was considering turning one my safes in to ammo storage.Mainly
Theft reasons.A lot more secure than metal cabnits.Not so much for fire protection as I know firsthand in calif
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Post by firedude on Jan 5, 2019 12:00:27 GMT -5
I think storing ammo in a safe that does not have guns in it is fine. I store ammo and guns separate from each other myself. On the subject of fire resistance. Fire resistance is generally sheetrock (drywall) inside of your safe. The amount of fire resistance is based on the thickness of the sheetrock. Any safe can be made fire resistant with the addition of it. That said it is generally only effective in a fire that is small, quickly contained and or not the room the safe was in. It does help. If it is a room and contents fire and the safe is in that room, its usually going to be ugly though. I would definitely have my ammo separate from my guns (guns unloaded) in the safe. Its better than nothing. Letting firefighters know where and what you have before they go in helps also.
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Post by WARDOG on Jan 7, 2019 22:59:48 GMT -5
If the location of your safe has a wood floor (not a slab) I wouldn't use the safe to store ammo. The concentrated weight of bulk ammo can overload the floor joists quickly.
After witnessing the aftermath of my families homes in Paradise, CA, there is no such thing as a fire safe. Not even diamonds survived.
I intend to build a cinderblock shed to store my bulk ammo.
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Post by bigbrowndog on Jan 7, 2019 23:23:29 GMT -5
If theft is your primary concern, I’d suggest one of the big construction site tool boxes. The load is spread over a greater area, and they are very secure and should cost less than an actual safe.
Trapr
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Post by doninnh on Mar 10, 2019 17:57:20 GMT -5
I jun of 1950 my family house burned the corner of the house where a gun rack was located was in the oppsite corner from the fire starting site all in the ground floor. A copper wall hanging next to the gun rack sagged but did not melt. The silver solder of the barrels of a beautiful 12 parker double melted for the top 16 or 18 inches. The stocks and forearm of all but a win 94 were charcoal, it was tucked into the corner of the rack the forestock was ruined a it had to be reblued also. There was an oak captains antique chair near the gun rack which looked normal but was made of charcoal. the fire was starved for air as it only burned through the outer wall near the site it started. Some sterling silver near there melted. Some aluminum also. There were several hundred rounds in boxes around the buttstocks of all of the shotguns and rifles. Not one round went off . Have a nice day DON K
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Post by win1894s on Mar 10, 2019 22:23:49 GMT -5
Well I went with cannon 90 gun safe and built shelves with
One inch plywood. Now ammo and powder is stored mostly in ammo cans.
The whole idea was loss prevention not so much as fire proof.
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Post by nicholst55 on Mar 11, 2019 4:30:39 GMT -5
If not stored in the basement of a home so equipped, many gun safes end up there after a house fire, as floors/ceilings collapse. I'm not certain that I would want all (or most) of my ammo contained in a safe during a fire. If the safe gets hot enough for long enough, the ammo will probably cook off anyway. There's an excellent video online produced by SAAMI where they built a bonfire under a whole bunch of ammo - 28,000 rounds in the first instance, and 18,000 in the second. Over 1/4 million rounds were burned in the semi-trailer. Firefighters in normal turnout gear were completely safe within 'reasonable' firefighting distance:
I think I'd consider building a fenced-in enclosure with a locking door for ammo storage, if theft is a concern.
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Post by gator89 on Mar 11, 2019 8:11:27 GMT -5
If theft is your primary concern, I’d suggest one of the big construction site tool boxes. The load is spread over a greater area, and they are very secure and should cost less than an actual safe. Trapr And I have seen those cut open like a can of beans. Nothing will keep a thief out forever. |
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Post by gator89 on Mar 11, 2019 8:13:58 GMT -5
At least nothing most of us can afford.
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