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Post by 2 Dogs on Apr 7, 2018 11:32:14 GMT -5
Cholla! You go buddy! Hard to tell if that little rifle has more miles or blood on it!!
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Post by 2 Dogs on Apr 7, 2018 11:50:50 GMT -5
I don't think I have seen the .358 mentioned. While I'm not sure how well it would fit into a "do it all" role, it would/should be quite the slammer. Still, one could easily load their .308 with a 220 grain bullet and almost be there as well. The trajectory issue isn't as big of a deal as most think, at least not for me. To me, any shot on a animal I want to bring home out around 300 yards requires some careful consideration. If I haven't already verified the range and wind I would certainly do so before taking any such shot as time would almost certainly permit if getting closer wasn't a consideration. With todays optics it's all to easy to dial in for elevation and if you aren't used to shooting in the wind at such ranges you certainly dont have any business trying such a shot on a game animal.
I also haven't seen the 6.5 GAP, which is another caliber I am very interested in investigating. I do have one hunting buddy who uses such a rifle from GA precision and it's certainly a impressive package. Lotsa US dollars tho...
This has been an eye opening thread. Push feeds vs. Controlled feed arguments don't seem so important when you could certainly decide well in advance which type you prefer to have and go down that road. Having many many thousands of rounds on a Remington 700 push feed I would point out the feed reliability is NOT THE ISSUE. Sand, dirt, blown primer, and other foreign matter in the trigger are what caused my 700 to stop. That's why I would pick a Model 70 Winchester not a Model 700 if I were to get dropped off in the middle of nowhere with my rifle.
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Post by boolitdesigner on Apr 7, 2018 16:48:53 GMT -5
I shoot a lot of rifles in different calibers. I don't live near big dangerous game either, but have rifles if they should show up tramping in my garden. I would prefer a 308 in a left handed Ruger Scout rifle.... especially with my cast bullets in them....................
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Post by hawg on Apr 7, 2018 20:50:29 GMT -5
308 would be ideal and probably what I would build in a custom. I dont know if the brake would tame it to the degree where you could stay on the scope. We shoot a lot of hogs with calibers ranging from 243 to the 300mags. Brakes on the 7MM and Weatherby. Favorite off hand rifle is a 30 30 with 150 grain Rem. 22 250 is fantastic for pest work.
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Post by cherokeetracker on Apr 7, 2018 21:24:30 GMT -5
Several of my friends used to say... They could have stopped trying to invent better bullets, since we had the Partition and the Cor-Lokt. Either one sure seems to take care of everything in the Big Game arena.
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Post by eskimo36 on Apr 8, 2018 6:45:26 GMT -5
In spite of the chiding I’ll take, for about ten years in my youth, I hunted every thing with a 17 Rem in a 700. Armadillos, possums, raccoons, coyotes, pigs, bobcats, feral dogs and yes, deer. I killed 34 “dead right there” deer with it over those 10 years. Broad side through the ribs and “bang flop” was the result. I never lost one with it. Most of the deer were within 75 yards, the other critters ranged from 3 to 300-350 yards. I have utmost confidence in what that rifle can do. I have no illusions that it was the right gun for everything I used it for but it will put a bullet where the crosshairs meet from a cold barrel when I pull the triggger. Tight little groups are good things but hitting where it’s aimed after being carried for days in a truck or on a 4 wheeler, is what counts in the field. A good trigger, proper bedding, quality scope mounts, good glass and precision ammo will make most long guns an all around rifle.
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Post by magnumwheelman on Apr 8, 2018 9:45:32 GMT -5
My buddy and I were talking about 17's just yesterday... how they kill better in real life than they should on paper... I use a little mach 2 for shooting critters around the farm, and it will drop a big raccoon out of the tallest tree way better than a 22 lr ( it's parent case )... on most of the 17's true hydrostatic shock seems to add more to the results than you would expect... that is, as long as you're not imparting more force than the bullet can handle... FIL used to make bullets magically disappear, somewhere over 4000 fps with his 17 Remingtons... I personally find the 17 Fireball to be a more balanced cartridge than the Remington... butt I still have a a Remington or two around here
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Post by Cholla on Apr 8, 2018 11:19:26 GMT -5
You guys using .17's should read some of P.O. Ackley''s stuff. He said the same thing LONG before .17's were en vogue.
Cholla
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Post by 2 Dogs on Apr 8, 2018 11:28:19 GMT -5
Several of my friends used to say... They could have stopped trying to invent better bullets, since we had the Partition and the Cor-Lokt. Either one sure seems to take care of everything in the Big Game arena. The Remington Cor-Lokt bullet is vastly underrated and all to often overlooked. If your rifle will shoot it, it is quite lethal and my pick of all the conventional factory offerings. It's a dang good bullet, available in bulk, and at a price you can shoot to your hearts content.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Apr 8, 2018 11:31:18 GMT -5
You guys using .17's should read some of P.O. Ackley''s stuff. He said the same thing LONG before .17's were en vogue. Cholla I had a 17 Remington and sold it to switch to the 204 Ruger. Both model 700s, I figured while both were overbore, the 204 would be less so. My 204 is sub 1/2" at 100 yards however the factory 32 grain ammunition is about 250 fps slower than it should be. I have not had the opportunity to do any reloading for it but I am betting the usual factory long throat isn't helping me here....
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Post by eskimo36 on Apr 8, 2018 11:32:23 GMT -5
My stint with the 17 Rem started about 30 years ago. It’s bad in the rain and it’s bad past 200 in the wind. I shot 25 gr bullets with 25 gr of IMR-4227 in the winter and 24 gr of 4227 in the summer. These were max in my gun but shot lights out.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Apr 8, 2018 11:36:46 GMT -5
I read a recent article where McPherson was getting some 5000 fps with his version of the 20 caliber on the 6BR case with a 26 grain bullet I think it was. Be kinda fun to try those light weights in a 204 I bet. I'm sure they wouldn't hold up any better and probably not as good as your 17 with the 25's but still.
My all time favorite high speed critter clobberer remains the 22-250 loaded to 4150 fps with the 40 grain NBT. Just a lightning bolt on varmints up to coyote size animals.
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Post by lazytcross on Apr 8, 2018 16:03:14 GMT -5
Here in North Dakota we have no hogs to blast at. Striped ground squirrels, flicker tails, PDogs, all of the usual vermin bearing fur and always good quality coyotes.
I look at my safe full of pretty guns, including the formentioned 20” 308 ltr. The Ruger 375hh, and others. That said my favorites must be the ones that never leave the 84 and 85 Chevy ranch pickups. One a model 70, beat to hell 3006. And the other an old m77 220 Swift also beat to hell. Both sporter barrels and both 250-300$ guns, and most importantly both shoot well.
Seems like to me, the good all round gun is the one you can whip up and HIT stuff with. I have guns that shoot better groups, but I find myself missing game at times with them. There must be something to be said for confidence with a firearm. Something to be said about shooting rocks at 200 yards to sight in, rather than finding out that you can’t keep it in 3 inches at 200 yards on paper, but you can pull up and hit a skunk at the same range. Food for thought. All that being said I find myself blasting away at running coyotes with a Ruger vequaro when I have a perfectly good 22-250 sitting right beside me!
I might not be the right one to ask about never missing game, but most of my best hunting stories are botched shots!
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Post by bigbrowndog on Apr 8, 2018 20:26:58 GMT -5
I call it exercising the coyotes, help them run faster. Every once in a while we get one that gets comfortable with the trucks driving thru the pasture and not shooting at them. Then one day the truck stops, and they’re looking at it like, huh wonder what’s going on?!?!?, that’s when it gets fun, pistols get shot, rifles get shot, everybody is shooting and coyotes are getting exercised!!!!
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Post by 2 Dogs on Apr 8, 2018 20:52:58 GMT -5
I wonder what a complete list of the types of rifles would end up looking like? I would think we should have to catagorize them as there are different kinds of deer rifles (stand or beanfield or stalking) and varmint rifles (prairie dog or coyote) for example. Even Dangerous Game rifles have any number of categories...
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