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Post by magnumwheelman on Mar 8, 2018 8:24:47 GMT -5
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Post by bigbrowndog on Mar 8, 2018 8:43:57 GMT -5
I shoot for Burris,.....The Veracity line is basically their high end hunting scope,.......While it does incorporate many of the same features found in their true long range precision line, XTR2, on the higher magnification end, it really is better suited for hunting.
That said,.....the vast majority of “Long range” shooters are simply folks that want to try and hit that rock way out there, or will plink at Long range and never really compete or seriously get into the long range game.
I have several XTR2’s that I use for long range, and I have some Veracity’s that I use for hunting. Both are good scopes but the reticles and knobs on each are more suited for their intended use,......the XTR2 line has more movement due to using the larger 34mm tube, the Veracity is a 30mm tube, the standard Veracity reticle does not provide many of the needed holdoff marks for very useful long range shooting.
Trapr
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Post by magnumwheelman on Mar 8, 2018 9:07:34 GMT -5
Thanks... coincidentally I have an XTR2 on my short list... the XTR2 - 20X is only about $200.00 more than the Veracity 20X... I'm not a "trained" long range shooter, but maybe try a little harder than the "rock shooters" I have my own 300 yard range, & am looking at provisions to stretch that out to 600, & perhaps farther... my shooting style is pretty relaxed, I like to go out & sit at my bench, on a Sunday afternoon, when the weather is nice, & casually plink at targets also I generally subscribe to the "KISS" train of thought, & as such, don't have many scopes that contain batteries... but if the XTR is a better dedicated target scope, perhaps that should be my 1st focus www.midwayusa.com/product/821145/burris-xtreme-tactical-xtr-ii-rifle-scope-34mm-tube-4-20x-50mm-side-focus-first-focal-plane-illuminated-matteHmmm... looks like they also offer the same scope in a non illuminated version & saves me $100.00 to boot www.midwayusa.com/product/524311/burris-xtreme-tactical-xtr-ii-rifle-scope-34mm-tube-4-20x-50mm-side-focus-1-10-mil-adjustments-first-focal-plane-scr-mil-reticle-mattelooks like 20 MOA additional elevation adjustment going to the 34mm tube on the XTR2 |
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Post by bigbrowndog on Mar 8, 2018 9:44:36 GMT -5
Yes the added elevation only becomes a benefit if you’re using a modest velocity cartridge OR shooting at extreme long range.
The main issues or benefits between the two are again based on their intended use,.....since many long range precision targets are 2moa or smaller the reticle line thickness will subtend less on the XTR2, compared to the Veracity line thickness. There are more aids in the XTR2 reticle for holdoff, windage, etc. so that having to dial while on the clock is not necessary. Also if memory serves me correctly,....the Veracity is only available in MOA adjustment, while the XTR2 is available in MIL or MOA. For casual use the Veracity should serve you very well, just realize it’s limitations,.......plus right now Burris is running a special!!! Buy a Veracity and get a free MTAC, I think it’s an mtac??? Anyway if you buy a Veracity you’ll get another scope free.
Another thing to consider is, what your shooting conditions will be. If you have high temps and high humidity, going much over 15x will really not benefit you as you will simply be magnifying mirage,.....many times during matches I need to dial down to as low as 10x just to get a good image of my target, but I tend to shoot in the desert SW and Texas/Oklahoma areas.
Trapr
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Post by magnumwheelman on Mar 8, 2018 9:55:43 GMT -5
Thanks... your opinion & experience are greatly appreciated... looking at the "M.A.D." knobs description on the Veracity, looks like I could set up the scope for this particular rifle & load, & kinda turn it into a "casual" target scope... I'm pretty competitive, but have no plans on long rang competition, only on trying to improve against myself  do you think both adjustment systems would be as precise, between the Veracity & the XTR2... or do you think going to the 34mm tube offers some advantage in consistency & repeat-ability in the adjustment components??? The new Modular Adjustment Dial (M.A.D.) System allows you to choose from competition- style exposed knobs or capped knobs on both windage and elevation adjustments in any combination you desire. The complete windage and elevation turret adjustment system has been re-engineered to accept the M.A.D. System knobs. Zero Click Stop function is standard in both knob styles. This new design also allows for custom knobs to be added to the riflescope to perfectly match the trajectory of your ammunition. Knobs are easily changed with included hex key. You are able to request an exposed windage knob at no cost and order custom knobs by contacting Burris Customer Service. |
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Post by bigbrowndog on Mar 8, 2018 10:31:27 GMT -5
The MAD knobs allow shooters the advantage of either having low knobs, high knobs or capped knobs. If you are running a set zero and doing nothing but hold offs then capped knobs may be preferable, and allow for no accidental movement. The low knobs I believe are custom etched with your load data, come ups and drops, the high knobs are what is normallly found on the XTR2 line. There should be no difference In repeatability between them, and between the Veracity and XTR2 there should be no difference in repeatability either.
One other thing is the zero stop is available in the XTR2, I’m unsure if the Veracity line has that feature. The biggest benefit other than the obvious one, is that it actually helps the internal springs, detents, lubrication and with repeatable consistency, to crank the knobs fully up down left and right occasionally, and with zero stop on your elevation you at least can return to your zero easily. You’ll have to remember your windage mark.
Trapr
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Post by coldtriggerfinger on Mar 10, 2018 4:53:25 GMT -5
No illumination. For my use and that much money, a scope needs an illuminated reticle.
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