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Post by jimtx on Oct 15, 2017 21:26:55 GMT -5
I doubt this is factory barrel but anyone ever see a model 29 10" w/silhouette front sight? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 21:40:41 GMT -5
A pic of the particular gun you're interested in would help, but S&W came out with the 8-3/8 in. barrel length to allow their revolvers to compete in some handgun competitions with barrel length restrictions in certain classes. The barrel length in some competitions is measured from the breech (recoil shield) to the muzzle of the barrel, including the length of the cylinder. 8.375 + 1.625= 10.
I do see some mention on the internet of a 10-5/8 M29-3 from the 80s.
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Post by bullseye on Oct 15, 2017 21:53:44 GMT -5
Yep factory, S&W made a 10-5/8" Silhouette model with an adjustable front sight back in the 80's.
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Post by jsh on Oct 15, 2017 22:36:22 GMT -5
They also put that front sight on another 29 with a shorter barrel. May have even been a Lew Horton special?
I had a 10 5/8 29. Bought it brand new. It was a lesson in frustration to try and use the front sight at extended ranges, out to 200. I was hard headed and kept that thing for close to thirty years. I would get it out, dust it off, try to get sight settings for a match. I think the best I ever did with it was mid to upper 20's. Sold it off to fund an FA, should have done that 20+ years sooner.
I imagine David will be along and comment.
Jeff
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Post by bradshaw on Oct 16, 2017 6:32:05 GMT -5
I doubt this is factory barrel but anyone ever see a model 29 10" w/silhouette front sight? ***** Won’t get deeply into it here; the M-29 with 10-5/8” barrel is the direct result of my effort to convince Smith & Wesson to strengthen the Model 29 for IHMSA silhouette. The 10-5/8-inch barrel slips under maximum barrel length of 10-3/4-inches for PRODUCTION category guns, which includes Revolvers and, in the jargon of steel shooters, “single shots.” (Production, or “single shot” was defined to include the prototypical single shot Remington XP-100 .221 Fireball. No other bolt action was permitted in Production, although Remington tried.) Other than a 10-5/8” barrel and wheel-adjusted front sight, the silhouette M-29 has no remarkable features. “Cylinder Float” was not addressed. In it’s most aggravated state, a Model 29 can fire two or more shots with a single pull of the trigger. More commonly, the the hammer bounces and the cylinder stop drops. As bullet torque rotates the revolver counter-clockwise, the firing pin lands on the 9 o’clock side of the primer. These indents are found on the primer or case head over even on the extractor of countersunk cylinders. After I put my finger on that ailment----no one else had raised it----a year passed before anyone at S&W admitted it, and probably another year before anything was done about. The “solution” was to elongate the stop notches in the cylinder----less than my recommendation. The rear sight remained the standard drop-forged S&W base with 6-click ball-detent elevation & windage adjustments, which stretchess the elevation flexibility for 200 meter shooting, unless the front sight is regulated to center-punch chickens @ 50 meters with the rear sight close to bottom. In the absence of a dedicated micrometer-click rear sight, a Ron Power-style PPC front sight was installed. Four Allen head screws correspond to detents in a horizontal wheel. In theory, each screw is respectively zeroed for chicken (50m), pig (100m), turkey 150m), ram (200m). In practice, the shooter must zero for light and the distances actually encountered at different clubs. And why contend with moving parts on a .44 Magnum sight anyway? I trusted my brilliantly fine 8-3/8-inch Model 29 more. The S&W attempt never made grade against the Ruger "Silhouette Super." David Bradshaw |
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Post by Ken O'Neill on Oct 16, 2017 6:49:59 GMT -5
We saw very very few of those guns around here, and I never saw one win a match. This reminded me of another S&W misadventure: putting shallow, dainty little cuts in the barrel of some 29's that were supposed to hold scope rings, an idea copied from Ruger's Redhawk. Nice idea, poorly executed by S &W ; The cuts were too dainty and would pull chunks of the barrel out when the scope went flying.The model was dropped rather quickly.
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Post by taffin on Oct 16, 2017 8:32:30 GMT -5
I doubt this is factory barrel but anyone ever see a model 29 10" w/silhouette front sight? ***** Won’t get deeply into it here; the M-29 with 10-5/8” barrel is the direct result of my effort to convince Smith & Wesson to strengthen the Model 29 for IHMSA silhouette. The 10-5/8-inch barrel slips under maximum barrel length of 10-3/4-inches for PRODUCTION category guns, which includes Revolvers and, in the jargon of steel shooters, “single shots.” (Production, or “single shot” was defined to include the prototypical single shot Remington XP-100 .221 Fireball. No other bolt action was permitted in Production, although Remington tried.) Other than a 10-5/8” barrel and wheel-adjusted front sight, the silhouette M-29 has no remarkable features. “Cylinder Float” was not addressed. In it’s most aggravated state, a Model 29 can fire two or more shots with a single pull of the trigger. More commonly, the the hammer bounces and the cylinder stop drops. As bullet torque rotates the revolver counter-clockwise, the firing pin lands on the 9 o’clock side of the primer. These indents are found on the primer or case head over even on the extractor of countersunk cylinders. After I put my finger on that ailment----no one else had raised it----a year passed before anyone at S&W admitted it, and probably another year before anything was done about. The “solution” was to elongate the stop notches in the cylinder----less than my recommendation. The rear sight remained the standard drop-forged S&W base with 6-click ball-detent elevation & windage adjustments, which stretchess the elevation flexibility for 200 meter shooting, unless the front sight is regulated to center-punch chickens @ 50 meters with the rear sight close to bottom. In the absence of a dedicated micrometer-click rear sight, a Ron Power-style PPC front sight was installed. Four Allen head screws correspond to detents in a horizontal wheel. In theory, each screw is respectively zeroed for chicken (50m), pig (100m), turkey 150m), ram (200m). In practice, the shooter must zero for light and the distances actually encountered at different clubs. And why contend with moving parts on a .44 Magnum sight anyway? I trusted my brilliantly fine 8-3/8-inch Model 29 more. The S&W attempt never made grade against the Ruger "Silhouette Super." David Bradshaw AS DAVID SAYS IT WAS TOO LITTLE AND ALSO TOO LATE. IT HAD THE TOO COMMON MALADY OF THE CYLINDER UNLUCKING WHEN FIRED AND ROTATING BACKWARDS. I TRADED MINE FOR A 4" |
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Post by sixshot on Oct 16, 2017 10:15:44 GMT -5
It's too bad because with just a little bit more effort & enthusiasm S&W could have produced a winner. I think maybe their law enforcement contracts were more important at that time, not sure.
Dick
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Post by jfs on Oct 16, 2017 10:42:31 GMT -5
 D.B.... The 10 5/8" barrel model 29 always interested me because I figured I could set the handgun hunting world ablaze with its long barrel.... To find out you were the major effort to have S&W make the gun is impressive..My sincere congratulations....James
PS- missed a chance for one of those barrels on e-bay.. Would have installed on one of the newer S&W with "endurance package".... |
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Post by jimtx on Oct 16, 2017 11:24:04 GMT -5
OK, I actually posted this w/o my usual research, but I knew you guys would correct me:) I saw one of these for sale locally, w/Leupold scope, custom holster,etc for $800 OBO. Also found a guy selling just the Barrel with front & rear sight assemblies new as well. The price difference from locally to GB was crazy!!!!! I was more interested in if it was actually something rare & desirable or a mis-step in S&W evolution. I saw by Bradshaw, Ken's, and Mr. Taffin's comments it was just that. I actually had the same idea as Ken, buy it cheap, install a 3 or 4" and sell the Leupold:) |
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Post by shorty500 on Oct 16, 2017 14:58:57 GMT -5
Picked one still in box some years back, used, but all original and unhurt except had been drilled& tapped back in the day. Left the scope mount in the box and went to work trying various proven loads plus some newer stuff. Great gun and what I did was tweak the front sight so that based on my notes I could quickly zero the gun at various ranges from 25-100yards with a group of accurate loading that went from mild to wild. A quick glance at notes after selecting ammo for the task at hand and bang am on target for fun with a click.
Luckily mine has never reverse rotated on me, better yet have only had that happen once and that was a .500 not any of the m29/629s in my stable
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Post by jimtx on Oct 16, 2017 19:17:55 GMT -5
I spoke w/the original owner, the gun never reversed on him either, well taken care of, comes with Leupold M8-2x scope, 2 hosters, 1 scoped, 1 unscoped. It actually has a replacement correct rear sight, the gun broke out of an old holster and damaged the original, he had a gunsmith track down another correct rear assembly. He said back then it still took awhile to find one, he bought it from a gunsmith/gunshop in OK in the 80's. I am thinking about it, just cool, could always find a blued 3 or 4" and keep that barrel or used it in a build, or sell it, etc.............. possibilities. |
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Post by bradshaw on Oct 16, 2017 21:41:26 GMT -5
D.B.... The 10 5/8" barrel model 29 always interested me because I figured I could set the handgun hunting world ablaze with its long barrel.... To find out you were the major effort to have S&W make the gun is impressive..My sincere congratulations....James
PS- missed a chance for one of those barrels on e-bay.. Would have installed on one of the newer S&W with "endurance package".... ***** James.... I’d leave be with the sixguns above. Is that 8-3/8 M-29 at the top scoped with a Burris? Is the mount a Burris dual stud? Is the grip a Jordan Trooper by Steve Herrett? In the photo of the M-29 8-3/8”, M-27 8-3/8”, and K-22, the rear sight is elevated exactly where you don’t want it to be for starting on chickens @ 50 meters. Smith & Wesson replaced the Baughman red ramp on my Blue 8-3/8 29 with a Patridge (target sight), at the same time replacing the white outline rear with a blued notch. The blued notch was higher, allowing me touch meat on chickens and center the target----with rear sight at bottom detent (ZERO) or 2 clicks up. Properly assembled the post-war S&W sight is consistent, with positive clicks. The screw fastening the sight to the topstrap should be checked with appropriate screwdriver, and the adjustments should be oiled. David Bradshaw |
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Post by jimtx on Oct 17, 2017 2:47:31 GMT -5
D.B.... The 10 5/8" barrel model 29 always interested me because I figured I could set the handgun hunting world ablaze with its long barrel.... To find out you were the major effort to have S&W make the gun is impressive..My sincere congratulations....James
PS- missed a chance for one of those barrels on e-bay.. Would have installed on one of the newer S&W with "endurance package".... James, There is one of those barrels w/correct front sight and the rear sight together for $400 on the S&W forum, I saw it yesterday. Jim
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Post by Rimfire69 on Oct 17, 2017 7:12:39 GMT -5
I stumbled onto one a few years back that had a grand total of about one box through it, it looks mint. Made a deal with the original owner, brought it home with big plans, put it away and have never looked at it again.
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