tomc
.30 Stingray
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Post by tomc on Sept 18, 2017 20:51:46 GMT -5
Outstanding!!
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Post by boxhead on Sept 18, 2017 20:58:54 GMT -5
Nice. A lot of optics. Have folks given up on open sights? I know I am nearing there...
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Post by tradmark on Sept 18, 2017 21:19:52 GMT -5
No....i still do alot of iron sighted hunting. The hog whitworth shot was with iron sights. The wildebeest jack shot was with irons. Jordans watusi was shot with a comtender with scope initially but all f/u's were iron sighted. To make use Of my 460 some optic is needed. But all my backups are iron sighted! However, the time will come for me too my friend.
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Post by tradmark on Sept 18, 2017 21:20:38 GMT -5
More importantly though was that nearly every shot was offhand!!
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cmh
.401 Bobcat
Posts: 3,745
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Post by cmh on Sept 18, 2017 21:37:20 GMT -5
Yes Sir that looks like a fun time was had down in the Lone Star state!!!
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Post by Rimfire69 on Sept 19, 2017 6:58:10 GMT -5
Looks like a great time, impressive performance from the premium bullets, and great shooting done by all.
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cmillard
.375 Atomic
MOLON LABE
Posts: 1,943
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Post by cmillard on Sept 19, 2017 7:06:10 GMT -5
this is awesome!!
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Post by mike454 on Sept 19, 2017 7:40:58 GMT -5
Looks like great fun guys! Anyone using the Barnes Buster bullet? Just wondering how they hold up compared to the punch bullet.
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Post by CraigC on Sept 19, 2017 8:38:29 GMT -5
Several Barnes Busters were tested once the critters were down and they did very well. Most of them exited but a handful were recovered. I found out that the only way to deform a Punch bullet was to have a collision with a Barnes Buster.
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Post by tradmark on Sept 19, 2017 9:20:46 GMT -5
Yessir. That will do it craig! The 454 busters blew thru. They have a smaller meplat that the punch and id rate them as 90% as tough but a lil less than half the price. They penetrate well and handle bone well. The one i recocered on the offside hide flattened a touch compared to a mew one but looked perfect on its own and i recovered one feom a cape buff once that went thru and hit rock on the offside and so was in the hide on the offside. Ever so slight deformation and i think i can find that bullet and take a pic but ive not recovered anymore than about 3 of them, ever.
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Post by CraigC on Sept 19, 2017 9:43:39 GMT -5
After that display, I'm going to test the Busters and A-frame out of the Ruger .450BM I just picked up. Reserve hardcast for subsonic use.
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Post by magnumwheelman on Sept 19, 2017 15:40:13 GMT -5
so did you guys run into this??? many years ago, when I had the chance to shoot buffalo for 3 years straight, we had a really tough time getting the herd to leave the downed animal... sometimes it took what seemed like an hour before we could chase the herd away... they surrounded the downed animal, & kept butting it trying to get it to stand up, often delaying a prompt finishing shot... I've heard that it's common with elephants, not sure if you saw much of it in TX or not... maybe "Blondie" was the sole "guard" This "shoot" was several years ago... wish that herd had remained here... I was really starting to enjoy my buffalo shoots
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Post by cherokeetracker on Sept 19, 2017 17:59:39 GMT -5
It was definitely fun to be in on all the hunts with the video cam. I missed a few of pasco's rams and james sika but good shooting guys. We have a very standardized method of penetration testing. We sit the animal straight up on its front legs and can with complete control standardize shots and placement and compare. To me, the most telling results were two fold. 1) how awesome premium expandables work on animals of this size. 2) how much the nontraditional solids allow a smaller caliber to do the work of a much larger caliber. The barnes busters and punch bullets passed completely through the animals on level shoulder shots. When heavy bone was encountered it took a tough bullet to make it through and even had a 500 linebaugh cast slug literally turn into birdshot on the onside hide where a 454 buster went straight thru nearly perfectly. We were able to find that bullet in a dirt berm. The solid coppers and punch bullets blew on thru and could be seen skipping thru dirt and trees. More telling results. The aframes and barnes work extremely well and on brain shots a 357 180 gr aframe at 1100 fps held its integrity and penetrate deeper than a 315gr cast in the same animal type skull. The best part of the hunt was the aggressiveness of the animals and skittish nature and so it was very much reminiscent of chasing cape buff thru africa. The 454 i used did well with even medium loads and solid copper 300 grain bullets blew thru thick bone and skulls where my 340gr btb hardcast was nearly ground down to 150 grains on a similiar shot. The best performing cast were from matt's bullets in arkansas i believe. Slight nose flattening and a touch of smearing on one but really good integrity on those.
Tradmark, If you get a chance, or have the information, I would like to know more about the bullets ( such as the cast, BHN?, or brand name ). You mentioned Matt's bullets and I was curious which ones were used such as Caliber choices and weights. A little info about load velocities would be interesting too. Was a Home cast in the lineup at all? It did not appear so.. I do understand, and can agree whole heartedly that the best ammo needs to be used. And I am not about to shun someone because they used a jacketed or solid bullet especially for these animals. I also know there are sometimes great differences in so called "hard cast" Some can be hard, but way too brittle and then end up shattering on bone, and not penetrating. Even being tough sometimes, a bullet can deflect and not do what was desired. Does the place in Hondo require a specific bullet or possibly have recommendations? Sounds and looks like everyone did some good shooting. Congratulations to everyone involved.
Charles
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Post by mike454 on Sept 19, 2017 20:32:56 GMT -5
Several Barnes Busters were tested once the critters were down and they did very well. Most of them exited but a handful were recovered. I found out that the only way to deform a Punch bullet was to have a collision with a Barnes Buster. Those punch bullets are heavy duty for sure. I bought 300 of them in .452 back when Belt Mountain was still making them. They were knurled back then. I figured that 300 would be a lifetime supply, but I was wrong. At the current rate of use it should be a many lifetime supply. Glad to hear that the Barnes bullet is pretty stout as well. They seem available and economical. Waiting to hear back from grizzly, would like to get a supply of .510 punch bullets.
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Post by tradmark on Sept 19, 2017 21:33:24 GMT -5
It was definitely fun to be in on all the hunts with the video cam. I missed a few of pasco's rams and james sika but good shooting guys. We have a very standardized method of penetration testing. We sit the animal straight up on its front legs and can with complete control standardize shots and placement and compare. To me, the most telling results were two fold. 1) how awesome premium expandables work on animals of this size. 2) how much the nontraditional solids allow a smaller caliber to do the work of a much larger caliber. The barnes busters and punch bullets passed completely through the animals on level shoulder shots. When heavy bone was encountered it took a tough bullet to make it through and even had a 500 linebaugh cast slug literally turn into birdshot on the onside hide where a 454 buster went straight thru nearly perfectly. We were able to find that bullet in a dirt berm. The solid coppers and punch bullets blew on thru and could be seen skipping thru dirt and trees. More telling results. The aframes and barnes work extremely well and on brain shots a 357 180 gr aframe at 1100 fps held its integrity and penetrate deeper than a 315gr cast in the same animal type skull. The best part of the hunt was the aggressiveness of the animals and skittish nature and so it was very much reminiscent of chasing cape buff thru africa. The 454 i used did well with even medium loads and solid copper 300 grain bullets blew thru thick bone and skulls where my 340gr btb hardcast was nearly ground down to 150 grains on a similiar shot. The best performing cast were from matt's bullets in arkansas i believe. Slight nose flattening and a touch of smearing on one but really good integrity on those.
Tradmark, If you get a chance, or have the information, I would like to know more about the bullets ( such as the cast, BHN?, or brand name ). You mentioned Matt's bullets and I was curious which ones were used such as Caliber choices and weights. A little info about load velocities would be interesting too. Was a Home cast in the lineup at all? It did not appear so.. I do understand, and can agree whole heartedly that the best ammo needs to be used. And I am not about to shun someone because they used a jacketed or solid bullet especially for these animals. I also know there are sometimes great differences in so called "hard cast" Some can be hard, but way too brittle and then end up shattering on bone, and not penetrating. Even being tough sometimes, a bullet can deflect and not do what was desired. Does the place in Hondo require a specific bullet or possibly have recommendations? Sounds and looks like everyone did some good shooting. Congratulations to everyone involved.
Charles
The hardness on all i know of was that they all advertisied around 20-22 bhn i believe. Velocities ranged from 1250 for the linebaugh to 1800 fps for the casull. There were cast performance, beartooth, rimrock, amd montana bullet works. Im not sure on the 44 mag velocities though. None but the casull were fast per se.
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