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Post by bulasteve on Dec 25, 2016 11:32:44 GMT -5
Not having luck with websites, and the search function here doesn't like me either, so. Who here is using plated bullets in 44spec or 44mag ? What kind ? Loads ? Curious to try.
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Post by bradshaw on Dec 25, 2016 22:51:32 GMT -5
Not having luck with websites, and the search function here doesn't like me either, so. Who here is using plated bullets in 44spec or 44mag ? What kind ? Loads ? Curious to try. ***** Speer started electro-plating lead cores about 35 years ago. Dave Andrews of Speer/CCI said early attempts at uniformity were hampered by uneven deposit of copper jacket, with thicker metal accumulating on the corners. He said they were working out the bugs. He wanted me knowing about the development, but didn’t want me writing about them until they shot straight. The bullets were called TMJ, forTotal Metal Jacket. Fired in a Dan Wesson Arms Model 40 .357 Super Mag Vent Heavy 8-inch (VH8), the Speer .357 200 TMJ .357 Maximum boosted the Revolver Aggregate Record. Speer went on to hollow point TMJ bullets, which punctured the jacket and meant the bullet was no longer a TMJ. The hollow point punch left a dot of jacket material in the well of the hollow point, causing Speer to name it the Gold Dot Hollow Point. Speer worked hard to make its electro-plated bullets uniform, and succeeded. Since then numerous outfits have jumped on the plated-jacket wagon. Many of these gray market bullets deliver mediocre accuracy. Price is what they are about. Speer has proven the viability of the process. Beyond Speer, quality varies, with some real crap out there. You may want to test before buying in quantity. David Bradshaw |
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Post by JSilva on Dec 26, 2016 1:02:55 GMT -5
Not having luck with websites, and the search function here doesn't like me either, so. Who here is using plated bullets in 44spec or 44mag ? What kind ? Loads ? Curious to try. When developing loads for my 629, I gathered several bullets to work loads up with. Those included some 200 and 240 gn from Berrys and xtreme. What I discovered was that although acceptable accuracy was possible, a good hard cast bullet always equaled or out-performed the plated. With lead, I used less powder for each bullet weight with lead and my cost in buying bullets was substantially less. With some of the plated bullets, I also was forced to do without a crimp groove. While not a complete disaster, applying the correct taper crimp needed to help prevent bullet creep and yet not cut into the plated skin was a trying and frustrating endeavor. I'd say the biggest and most significant lesson I learned was that I was wasting my money with plated when they could be saving myself the headache and just buying lead. Plated has its uses I s'pose. Unless you need lead free or operate a gas gun, lead to still king Just my 2cents |
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Post by DiamondD on Dec 26, 2016 4:28:44 GMT -5
Not having luck with websites, and the search function here doesn't like me either, so. Who here is using plated bullets in 44spec or 44mag ? What kind ? Loads ? Curious to try. ***** Speer started electro-plating lead cores about 35 years ago. Dave Andrews of Speer/CCI said early attempts at uniformity were hampered by uneven deposit of copper jacket, with thicker metal accumulating on the corners. He said they were working out the bugs. He wanted me knowing about the development, but didn’t want me writing about them until they shot straight. The bullets were called TMJ, forTotal Metal Jacket. Fired in a Dan Wesson Arms Model 40 .357 Super Mag Vent Heavy 8-inch (VH8), the Speer .357 200 TMJ .357 Maximum boosted the Revolver Aggregate Record. Speer went on to hollow point TMJ bullets, which punctured the jacket and meant the bullet was no longer a TMJ. The hollow point punch left a dot of jacket material in the well of the hollow point, causing Speer to name it the Gold Dot Hollow Point. Speer worked hard to make its electro-plated bullets uniform, and succeeded. Since then numerous outfits have jumped on the plated-jacket wagon. Many of these gray market bullets deliver mediocre accuracy. Price is what they are about. Speer has proven the viability of the process. Beyond Speer, quality varies, with some real crap out there. You may want to test before buying in quantity. David Bradshaw I had no idea. You are certainly a wealth of great information Mr. Bradshaw. Thanks for sharing! |
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Post by bulasteve on Dec 26, 2016 7:23:17 GMT -5
Thank you folks. The lack of cannelure in the pics I could find bothered me since I plan to use in the Bulldog and the M69. Both light guns for caliber with quick sharp recoil. Maybe these plated bullets best left to the pistol shooters, 9mm's and such. For now, the M69 has a rough bore that's been tough on the cast bullets I've tried and one of my newer Ruger SA's has thread choking. Hence the interest in plated here, until those issues better dealt with or just broke in, shot in.
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Post by BigBore44 on Dec 26, 2016 7:57:00 GMT -5
Steve I'm guessing your not casting your own Yet? If correct, its time to start AND get to PC'n them!!!  BigBore44 |
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Post by bulasteve on Dec 26, 2016 8:22:43 GMT -5
I have PC cast at .431,.432 for the Ruger. The new M69 a much snugger .429. Hornady jacketed stuff won't go thru the cylinder.
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Post by BigBore44 on Dec 26, 2016 9:12:05 GMT -5
I have PC cast at .431,.432 for the Ruger. The new M69 a much snugger .429. Hornady jacketed stuff won't go thru the cylinder. Suuuure it will. You just need to stuff more GoGo dust behind it!  BigBore44 |
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Post by bulasteve on Dec 26, 2016 9:17:44 GMT -5
Well, they won't fall thru without some help. How much help to apply is the question.
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Post by BigBore44 on Dec 26, 2016 10:24:29 GMT -5
Well, they won't fall thru without some help. How much help to apply is the question. Well I reckon if'n your using a jacketed 240, about 23-24gr H110/296 will get something moving. Work up accordingly though. BigBore44 |
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Post by bulasteve on Dec 26, 2016 10:39:03 GMT -5
Doubt that M69 will see any 110/296. Right now been seating the 200 and 240gr XTP's and the last of my cherished hoard of 225gr HP Speers on 10grs of CFE. Decent break in loads and they take me where the Bulldog can't go as is. My goal. Was happily helping to break up the river ice the other day with'em.
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