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Post by singleaction on Oct 26, 2016 0:57:36 GMT -5
What is the most accurate commercially available 335 to 340 grain LBT design bullet in Ruger Blackhawks at 30k-ish psi? I used to shoot 325 LFN's from an Applegate mold over 24 grains of H110, from an 02' Accusport bisley. Accuracy was pretty good at full throttle, but that gun was pretty inaccurate with most other loads, so it and the mould went down the road. I just picked a 2014 Williams that is identicle to the 02' Accusport gun. After reading Lee Martin's 5-shot 45 Colt article, and a couple others that showed promise with the 335LBT designs, I would like to try them out. Thanks in advance for your advice.
Matt
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Post by COR on Oct 26, 2016 4:38:47 GMT -5
You've got to shoot your gun. You need to develop loads and experiment. You have no idea what your gun "likes". I'm also not sure why you want to shoot for a certain "pressure" since unless you have some advanced equipment to measure such you are still completely guessing....
SHOOT YOUR GUNS AND HAVE FUN DOING SO!
I'd buy a mold from Veral and never look back. Montana Bullet Works has the bullets if you want a commercial company.
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Post by singleaction on Oct 26, 2016 4:56:09 GMT -5
You've got to shoot your gun. You need to develop loads and experiment. You have no idea what your gun "likes". I'm also not sure why you want to shoot for a certain "pressure" since unless you have some advanced equipment to measure such you are still completely guessing.... SHOOT YOUR GUNS AND HAVE FUN DOING SO! I'd buy a mold from Veral and never look back. Montana Bullet Works has the bullets if you want a commercial company. 30 to 32kpsi is about the limit for factory large frame Blackhawks in 45 colt. I really don't want to spend the $ involved testing every bullet out there. I realize every gun is a little different, but some bullets are more accurate, across the board, than others, and I would like some informed opinions about which 335 LBT bullets are best. Hodgdon tested the Cast Performance line in 45 colt to 30kpsi. Using a chroni, and working up loads is my plan. This ain't my first rodeo.  |
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Post by Fowler on Oct 26, 2016 17:30:51 GMT -5
I think CORs point was more this one maybe more forgiving that your last. I just picked up one of these same guns (guess 4 45 colt Bilseys wasn't enough) and so far mine seems to show promise with everything I have run in it from very mild to moderately heavy.
I will say that in Rugers a 335gr LFNGC bullet is really hard to beat for accuracy, I generally don't throttle the load hard preferring to run them 1050fps rather than the redlined 1300fps loads but to each their own. I have the LBT mound and have shot thousands of them over time.
If it was me I'd measure the throats sizes and order Bullets from Montana Bullet Co sizes to match them. Probably a couple different weights but certainly the 335gr LFN would be one of them and see what the gun and the shooter agree on. I know a few of my guns have shown some preference for loads that just plain are heavier than I want to shoot all of the time.
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Post by singleaction on Oct 26, 2016 18:32:39 GMT -5
Thanks Cor and Fowler for your advice.
Matt
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Post by Paden on Oct 26, 2016 18:47:30 GMT -5
I think CORs point was more this one maybe more forgiving that your last. I just picked up one of these same guns (guess 4 45 colt Bilseys wasn't enough) and so far mine seems to show promise with everything I have run in it from very mild to moderately heavy. I will say that in Rugers a 335gr LFNGC bullet is really hard to beat for accuracy, I generally don't throttle the load hard preferring to run them 1050fps rather than the redlined 1300fps loads but to each their own. I have the LBT mound and have shot thousands of them over time. If it was me I'd measure the throats sizes and order Bullets from Montana Bullet Co sizes to match them. Probably a couple different weights but certainly the 335gr LFN would be one of them and see what the gun and the shooter agree on. I know a few of my guns have shown some preference for loads that just plain are heavier than I want to shoot all of the time. I'm impressed with my Williams guns as well. My preferred load doesn't utilize an LBT bullet, and as the OP's question was specific to LBT's I had refrained from commenting, but I believe fowler's comments and suggestions are spot on. I too prefer to run mine at 1050 rather than redlining them. And +1 to MBW being a great source for sampling different bullets. |
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Post by CraigC on Oct 27, 2016 11:19:18 GMT -5
What is the intended purpose, are these going to be hunting loads? If so, I'm not sure why anyone messes with LFN's for hunting. They have small meplats and do not take advantage of the extra real estate the .45Colt offers. Only a proper WFN or WLN can boast an advantage over smaller cartridges. The 335gr from MBW is a WLN, not an LFN. Good bullet but didn't fare as well in my penetration tests as we'd hoped. I'm also not sure why you want to shoot for a certain "pressure" since unless you have some advanced equipment to measure such you are still completely guessing.... Pretty sure that loading data usually also includes pressure data. Also pretty sure that the 30,000psi figure was so we knew he was talking about "Ruger only" data and not powderpuff Colt loads. |
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Post by bigbrowndog on Oct 27, 2016 11:48:05 GMT -5
I've shot both BTB 340 LFN and MBW 335 WLN, I try to load to my target velocity for hunting loads of 1200fps. My gun hits that mark at less powder than what the manuals claim needed. Both bullets provide 4-5 inch groups at 50yds, and the gun is stock except for having the cylinder throats made consistent at .4525. It is a 5.5" Bisley SS I'm not sure if it's a Williams or Accusport or what.
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Post by sixshot on Oct 27, 2016 14:14:52 GMT -5
I have both WFN's & LFN's & like both. The LFN's will, for sure out shoot the WFN's at distance but I like hunting with a WFN much better myself. My 41 magnum LBT WFN has a much wider meplat than my 44 Keith or an LFN & it's like having free horsepower, that bigger nose is a bigger hammer. If you have to have distance, go with the LFN. I almost always run 1000-1150 fps with no problems. If you ramp up the speed the recoil really takes off on you, your choice. If you let the big bullet do the work you don't need the speed/recoil. Every sixgun is different but most any of them will hold up quite well with a WFN at hunting distances. If they will do it at mule deer distance I'm sure they will do it at white tail distance.
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Post by COR on Oct 27, 2016 18:51:57 GMT -5
Thanks CraigC! I appreciate your clarification. I'm such a dope at times...
I also appreciate your input on LFN's and the importance of big wide meplats on game! Preach on!
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Post by singleaction on Oct 29, 2016 6:49:28 GMT -5
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