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Post by victor6 on Sept 25, 2009 11:16:26 GMT -5
In Curt Rich's excellent introduction to cowboy action shooting, he writes -
"But I wouldn't consider using a clone or a Colt SAA without having a good specialist gunsmith look it over. If you're REALLY into this sport you'll shoot more rounds in a year than, say, an active Texas Ranger would shoot in a lifetime. A Colt SAA or clone without perfectly adjusted parts will destroy itself in short order. Every serious competitor I know using either a Colt SAA or a clone has had a gunsmith at least look at it. I could be wrong, of course, and obviously exceptions do occur."
What do you guys think of this? Should I immediately stop shooting my New Frontier and SAA and send them away? In truth, my SAA is recently manufactured and feels like it is running on ball bearings ... the New Frontier is 30 years old (but new to me) and doesn't have that smooth feel.
I just don't want to damage either of these guns.
Thanks,
Victor
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Post by Boge Quinn on Sept 25, 2009 11:41:06 GMT -5
I think he has a point. For CAS (an activity in which I do not participate, only because I can't afford another hobby, so I am NOT an expert), I'd think a Colt/Clone would work fine for the occasional competitor; but for a serious shooter, one who puts thousands of rounds down the bore, it seems to me that a Ruger would be preferable over the long haul.
Either way, the New Frontier needs to come to Tennessee - tradejee a New Vaquero for it!
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Post by AxeHandle on Sept 25, 2009 11:46:52 GMT -5
Ground ruling that I am not and have never been a cowboy shooter... I would never shoot cowboy action with any of my Colt NFs... Might with a current production gun.... That said, listening to Bob Munden and others talk, and reading John Taffin's writing, I think there are general changes/upgrades that make the Colts and Colt clones slicker and a little tougher...
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Post by texashoosier on Sept 25, 2009 11:59:15 GMT -5
To quote Bob Munden's website:
"A stock, single-action revolver is just not ready for repeated use and can be damaged quite easily, even with normal use. "
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Post by victor6 on Sept 25, 2009 12:19:21 GMT -5
Wow ... ok ... sounds like I better send at least the New Frontier away (to a qualified gunsmith ... not to you Boge  ) Thanks, Victor |
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Post by Tom Richardson on Sept 25, 2009 12:39:40 GMT -5
I am much more qualified than Boge.
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Post by Markbo on Sept 25, 2009 12:45:37 GMT -5
Heh heh heh
I have a lot less to trade than Boge... what does that qualify me as? ;D
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Post by Boge Quinn on Sept 25, 2009 16:26:27 GMT -5
The guy who DIDN'T ask first!
;D
Dibs!
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Post by jayhawker on Sept 25, 2009 17:05:48 GMT -5
If you are shooting 500 rounds of full power loads a week, or CAS loads as fast as possible, the gun will need tuning. If 500 rounds full power slow fire per year, factory is fine for a Colt. With the clones, some are better than others. But if fit correctly at the factory, still true. The CAS crowd are machine gunning light loads at very large targets at very close ranges. Rugers are best for this. But the slower fun shooters get by just fine with untuned Colts and clones.
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Post by mbaneacp on Sept 25, 2009 21:00:01 GMT -5
Competition is brutal on guns, making us all the unpaid R&D wing of the firearms industry. Almost 20 years of practical pistol and I now have an intimate knowledge of what can — and will — break, wear out of just plain come unstuck on a 1911. That's why I shoot Rugers in CAS. Would be a crime to chew up an old Colt!
Michael Bane, a.k.a. "Wolf Bane"
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Post by Jeff Quinn on Sept 25, 2009 22:19:22 GMT -5
Probably due to the horrendous recoil levels to which CAS revolvers are subjected. :-)
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Post by Boge Quinn on Sept 25, 2009 22:30:00 GMT -5
Probably due to the horrendous recoil levels to which CAS revolvers are subjected. :-) LOL yeah, those brutal loads would break a FA! |
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Post by rexster on Sept 26, 2009 5:10:02 GMT -5
Simple engineering, to my mind. Parts that move against each other with precision will experience less wear and tear than parts that are free to rattle around and slam into each other, especially if those looser parts have rough spots and such. This is a separate issue from those 'smiths that install totally different spring systems and such.
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Post by J Miller on Sept 26, 2009 6:56:31 GMT -5
Victor,
CAS is not shooting. It is abuse. Colts and the copies, even Rugers are not designed for abuse. That is why they need to be tuned for this sport.
You wouldn't take the family sedan to a drag strip and run it on a regular basis would you? If you did very quickly that car would go home on the hook. Same thing with revolvers.
Normal use won't damage a correctly timed revolver or bottom feeder. But as I said, CAS is not normal use, it's abuse.
If your shooting cas with your New Frontier and SAA, then yes I'd have them checked and tuned. If your just shooting them normally I wouldn't worry too much about them.
Joe
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Post by 44special on Sept 26, 2009 7:17:38 GMT -5
To quote Bob Munden's website: "A stock, single-action revolver is just not ready for repeated use and can be damaged quite easily, even with normal use. " So if Bob is correct, then what exactly gets damaged with "normal use?" Does it cost the same to fix a damaged one as it does one that wasn't "fixed" before shooting? Since he wrote generically about single actions, can I assume he meant to include Ruger in that statement? I can see how the CAS guys can wear and damage SAs through very fast, very repetitive shooting. But Bob seems to really broaden the scope of what can hurt a SA. |
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