Joe S.
.401 Bobcat
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Post by Joe S. on Sept 6, 2015 23:56:08 GMT -5
My el cheapo uberti shoots low and left. Every load I've tried does this. I know i can file the sight to raise elevation but whats the fix for shooting left? File the rear notch a little? Do i use a safe side file or a standard file to get a square notch?  |
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Post by tek4260 on Sept 7, 2015 2:25:06 GMT -5
I've heard that Vaquero is an old Indian word that means "low left"
How low and how left is it shooting?
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Post by tek4260 on Sept 7, 2015 2:30:21 GMT -5
You'd need a safe file to file the rear notch to the right but it's only good for minute changes since you'd be widening the notch. Too much width will make it hard to shoot precisely. Personally I'd rather bend the front sight slightly......
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Post by medicdave on Sept 7, 2015 7:35:23 GMT -5
Sounds like it's time to turn the barrel. You can get a set of jaw inserts for a bench vise on eBay for less than $20 and either use an action wrench or a piece of wood worked to fit your frame opening to turn the action a scosh. Make sure you use a 5" jaw vise as the smaller ones don't put enough pressure on the barrel to keep it from spinning. It takes longer to explain it and set up the vise than it does to adjust the barrel.
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Post by cherokeetracker on Sept 7, 2015 8:14:35 GMT -5
Wait wait ! Have you tried shooting a heavier Bullet? This will raise the POI from the POA. Do that first before anything else, since sometimes the POI will be different than the POA. I have seen a heavier bullet move not only Vertical but horizontal Depending upon how fast it was going. If that does not help at all then the next easiest thing to do, (you can do this ) is to do what medicdave suggested.
Look at the Lounge section of this forum and find articles from Ross Seyfried. He explains this procedure and performs it on one of His pistols. If you cannot perform this work to your satisfaction, rather than bend front sight, and I would never widen the rear channel, I would send it to one of the Gunsmiths.
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Post by texagun on Sept 7, 2015 9:29:10 GMT -5
I would NEVER attempt to bend the front sight slightly. I've seen too many guns that had to go back to the manufacturer for broken front sights. If you don't know how to turn the barrel, I would not try that. Find a competent gunsmith who knows what they are doing. Best solution would be to use a safe file to widen the notch a bit. Good luck with it.
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Post by tek4260 on Sept 7, 2015 10:59:51 GMT -5
I "know" how to do it both ways and have simply never felt comfortable turning the barrel. Of course I don't like tweaking the front sight to the side either but it's less disquieting than turning the barrel. The ones I bent are only slightly and 99% of the people that see the pistols would never notice it. If it requires more than a slight tweak, it moves on down the road.
Joe, you may want to install a lighter trigger spring and see if it helps move it to the right since there is less pressure required. Or you may put more finger on the trigger. As small as the grip is and as big as your hands are, you may be pushing the shots off when pressing the trigger. Remind me to bring mine next time we meet up and you can see where it prints for you and see if you can tell the sight is bent
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Joe S.
.401 Bobcat
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Post by Joe S. on Sept 7, 2015 13:26:45 GMT -5
We'll do TEK. That could be it but i dont think it is. I have shot it from a rest and it still does. But it could be...
It shoots about a foot or more low at 25 yards.
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Post by buckelliott on Sept 8, 2015 1:25:13 GMT -5
Turn the barrel to get your windage right. You've read the process above. Bending the front sight is not recommended for those guns (or any SA revolver..) It ain't rocket surgery...
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Post by medicdave on Sept 8, 2015 6:38:33 GMT -5
When my brother and I turn a barrel Joe it's not much. I think people get the wrong idea of how much turning is involved and get weak in the knees. We remove the erh and scribe a reference line from barrel to mainframe. Most of the time the actual amount turned is the width of the scribed line or less.
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Post by dale53 on Sept 8, 2015 15:09:46 GMT -5
I had a Ruger Vaquero (4 5/8" barrel) and out of the box windage was perfect at 25 yards but it shot low. It was a simple matter to file the front sight (I spread this over three range sessions) to shoot center at 25 yards. I later sold this gun to a dealer who had seen it shoot (gave me a premium price for it). I took the money and bought a 5½" Bisley Vaquero to replace it. The Bisley shot center at 25 yards with my chosen black powder load and a similar velocity smokeless load. I won a number of matches with that revolver and still have it. My dealer friend is a happy man, also.
So, a feller would have to say that my two experiences with Vaquero's have been VERY positive.
Regarding the O.P.'s question, I would discuss the matter with my pistolsmith of choice. It would be VERY helpful if you could provide the pistolsmith with a target using your chosen load (typically, a revolver will only shoot one load to the sights - you may get lucky but don't count on it). So, make sure your chosen load groups well in your revolver. Shoot it from a rest and offhand to make sure where the actual point of impact is from YOUR hands. Then he will have something to work with.
In general, I MUCH prefer adjustable sighted revolvers. However, the Ruger's have excellent fixed sights and if they are regulated correctly it would be hard for me to criticize based on my own experience, little as it is.
FWIW
Dale53
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Post by bagdadjoe on Sept 11, 2015 17:06:10 GMT -5
The New Vaquero I currently have shot 12" low and about 5" left. I filed the front sight down about 5 strokes at a whack then fired a couple of shots, until point of impact came up close to point that of aim. As the point of impact came up, it also came right...because the cant was also being reduced. Picture if you will, a 20" stick in the ground at 45°. If a plumb was dropped from the tip it would hit maybe 12 inches from the point where the stick is in the ground. Cut the stick in half and plumb will touch substantially closer to the bottom of the stick. That's why the windage impact changed. Never occurred to me...
My original intent was to file it down until the elevation was correct,measure the height of the sight,then file it flush to the barrel, cut a dovetail and install a sight the same height, and then correct windage by adjusting the sight in the dovetail. But now, I may leave it.
I carefully filed the original sight level, so the contour doesn't look "original", not being rounded, but it doesn't look Bubba' either....and it works.
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Joe S.
.401 Bobcat
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Post by Joe S. on Sept 12, 2015 9:31:52 GMT -5
Have not thought about that! I will definitely try the elevation first once I settle on a load
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Post by 45MAN on May 8, 2021 19:06:59 GMT -5
WAS GOOGLING FOR INFO ON SQUARING THE RS NOTCH ON A FS REPLICA SAA AND RAN INTO THIS TOPIC, NOT WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR BUT GOOD INFO NONETHELESS
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