41 Magnum +P

[razor]

Since Axehandle sold me that old worn out Kimber 10MM and reading a lot about reloading 10MM. I was wondering about maybe loading the 41 mag kinda like the way they load the 10MM. They seem to put about all the AA#9 powder in the case that it will hold, and the guns seem to do fine. In a strong single action could a man maybe up the powder in the 41 like they do in the 10MM to get a 210XTP to 1500fps? I know they do not have to go that fast to kill game, but was just wondering. I am not out to start a big arguing tread, or why the hell do you want to do that thread. Just something to talk about.

[Fowler]

OK so to what end and/or purpose? Maybe you can go redline plus a bit but what do you really gain? 50-100fps, a whole lot of wear on a gun in short order and no measurable gain in trajectory or game killing capability?

I understand pushing things but I guess as I have gotten a bit older I have learned there is little gained by doing so. Yes I have stomped on my 32 mags and 32/20 because there was significant gain over standard factory loads that were designed for older, softer gun, but the 41 mag has been cooked to the limit since day one, I dont think there is a lot of gain left that hasnt been discovered. Just my two cents.

[razor]

Fowler, I am kinda old my self. I do not even know if I will try it. I am kinda glad Keith decided to push the 44 special a little, and I like the 44 special. I don't know about you, but I kinda like to try different loads sometimes to just to keep things interesting. I know some people will say this is the load I use, this is the load you need to shoot, and this is the only load anyone ever needs. Which is fine with me. I get the feeling any more when you post on here, someone always comes on and say why and the hell did you post that, and you are a dumb $ss. People need to remember that everybody that post on here are not experts as some seem to be. Just my 2 cents.

[dana]

Using published data.
AA9 max load of 16.9 gives a velocity of 1445 (35,200PSI) from a 10" barrel.
W296/H110 max load of 22.0 gives a velocity of 1631 (36,400PSI) from a 10.125" barrel.
Your powder choice may be wrong the velocity you are seeking. JMHO
I shoot heavy for caliber lead at 1100-1200.
Good luck on your quest if you seek it.
Dana

[sixshot]

I know that Paco Kelly has done some amazing things using AA9 in a 41 maggie & he's done it for a very long time. Go over to Lever Guns & you'll find it. This is a great Forum for asking questions & very few will question your reasoning for asking. I have a great love affair for the 41 maggie & have taken a lot of game with it, you are not under gunned using one, thats for sure.

Dick

[groo]

Groo here
As I recall the 41 was hotter aka more powerful then the 44mag when it first came out.
As both shells were in the same n frame and there is more steel around the 41mag.
And you can find loads for 170 gr up to 1700 from a 4in-200 gr at 1500-210's at 1400 .[Lyman 48th manual]
For this and other reasons , I consider the 41mag the best chamber for N frames and Ruger new vaquero size frames.
Ruger blackhawk, redhawk, colt anaconda, DW and other larger frame guns can boost the 44mag.
This is all based on a 6 shot, 5 shot conversions and FA's are a game changer.

[razor]

Sixshot, I remember reading something about Paco Kelly doing that in the 41. I will have to look it up again. You are right. The 41 is plenty of gun, just as is. As it has been said before, if you need more power, just go up a caliber or two.

[boxhead]

Short of handgun loony'ism (which I well understand unfortunately) I guess I am missing the point?

[bigmuddy]

In Mr Taffn's Big Bore Handguns book you will find the loads you are looking for. AA No. 9 was the powder used and velocities exceeded 1700 fps in a 10" FREEDOM ARMS revolver. Note these loads were ONLY for use in the strong five shot FA revolver.

I have a friend that has used some of these loads in his FA revolver and he says the accuracy is unbelievable!

Dan

[Markbo]

Aug 18, 2014 9:36:48 GMT -5 razor said:

...I am not out to start a big arguing tread, or why the hell do you want to do that thread. Just something to talk about.....

And some people just can't help themselves anyway.
Just curious - what handgun do you have in mind for this anyway? I have an FA 97 in .41 mag and might be interested in your findings.

[razor]

It is a FA model 97. After shooting my deer load the other day, I may just leave well enough alone. 210 XTP - 22-298-CCI-LPM.

[crazycarl]

I get 1350 fps with 215gr Keiths with 17.5 gr of 2400 out of my 5 1/2" Bisley. I've read of folks running heavier charges of 2400, but 18gr is pushing what I enjoy hanging on to. Thinking of working up a Unique load for the 215s at 1100fps.

That said, I'm not a recoil junkie & don't see a need (for me) to make the gun uncomfortable to shoot.