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Post by Tom Richardson on Mar 1, 2014 11:25:39 GMT -5
Dick does impress. Nothing halffast about him. TR
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Post by sheriff on Mar 1, 2014 11:30:15 GMT -5
Dick does impress. Nothing halffast about him. TR Especially when it comes to 'bullets or biscuits'.....
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Post by Ken O'Neill on Mar 1, 2014 13:09:13 GMT -5
Lookin' good, Dick!
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Post by dougader on Mar 1, 2014 14:52:26 GMT -5
Great shootin', Dick.
I'm curious, though, why using W231 cost you dearly?
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Post by AxeHandle on Mar 1, 2014 14:57:27 GMT -5
Let's guess! My guess would be that conditions changed and the load, while fine when put together, didn't make the power factor under the match conditions.
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Post by sixshot on Mar 1, 2014 17:18:58 GMT -5
Stan nailed it. 2003 Area I championships in Bend, Oregon. I was shooting a 25-2 S&W 45 with a 200 or 230 gr. cast, can't remember but the load (with 231) had made power factor for several months, about 167 power factor. We go to Bend & the weather is cool, even sleeting sometimes & I'm worried about my power factor, well it came up over 175 on the Chrono! I adjust my powder charge a bit & shoot all year the next year. We go to Area I championships in Reno, Nevada & on the last day I'm winning by 17 points & the weather is hot, I'm thinking I'll be high again & it comes back 163.8, I didn't even make power factor & loose by 60 points! Might be off on the point difference, not sure but I am sure I never used 231 again, I switched to WST & its stayed very uniform all over the country.
Dick
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Post by contender on Mar 1, 2014 22:45:00 GMT -5
I have seen a bit of Dick's prowess with a wheelgun, and I have seen a few of his plaques & trophies from shooting USPSA. I watched the video & chuckled. I can see how having a powder cause Power Factor issues can HURT you. I'm in the process of developing a load & such for my S&W .40 S&W wheelie for my USPSA that I can trust. The gun is ready, the loads are there (I think, as I've only tried them locally,) & all I'm needing now is a good moon carrier & I'll be slipping over to using the wheelgun in a few matches. I have seen major "named" paid professional shooters go to Chrono & post a "minor" PF score when they were sure of major loads. One was especially disheartening,,, seeing a 164.92 at an Area match.
I love watching a revolver guy outdo any semi guy. It's funny to watch an ego deflate!
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Post by bradshaw on Mar 2, 2014 10:42:55 GMT -5
Hereby nominate Dick Thompson to write a review of the S&W N-frame 10mm/.40 S&W. (How did I come to think the S&W 10mm revolver is an L-frame?) IMPORTANT experience. Consider members of Singleactions on a need-to-know basis.
Thinking, first of all, in all that shooting you wore out a few stops. Possibly other parts. Swaged pins remained tight? Compression of cylinder pin? Against any of this or other maintenance, sounds emphatic your revolver was built right. Keep shooting, David Bradshaw
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Post by snappy on Mar 2, 2014 18:39:17 GMT -5
Hereby nominate Dick Thompson to write a review of the S&W N-frame 10mm/.40 S&W... IMPORTANT experience. Consider members of Singleactions on a need-to-know basis. Keep shooting, David Bradshaw I'll second that nomination! <--( eager student smiley) Dick that is fantastic shooting! Heck you still move like a cat! Your many, many rounds downrange show in your efficiency Sir. No wonder you are casting 40's every time I talk to you hahaha!! Great job.
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Post by mark on Mar 2, 2014 19:04:48 GMT -5
Great shooting. Mark
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Post by sixshot on Mar 2, 2014 21:38:01 GMT -5
David, this is actually my 5th N frame 610 revolver, some were fluted cylinder guns, some were unfluted. All of them are full underlug guns, making them heavy but I like that. Two of them were the 4" guns (actually 3 7/8ths) I shot the shorties in a lot of matches but had to be very careful to get the moon clipped cases extracted all the way with the short rod. The one I shoot all the time, 150,000+ rounds is unfluted & that makes it harder on the gun, as you know when the cylinder is spinning that fast the extra weight of the unfluted cylinder causes additional wear on the cylinder stop....although I have never changed it! It does need changing & when I get back to Idaho I'll have my gunsmith son work his magic on it. He did all the set up on this one & also all the others & they have never failed to run. The trigger work & cylinder work he does is world class & if the weather is warm (warm hands) my reload from the sixth shot, unlatch, knock out the moon clip, reload & fire is many times around 1 1/2 seconds, other times it can be slower!!! I'll post some photo's in the next day or so, its been raining here in Arizona.
Dick
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Post by dougader on Mar 2, 2014 23:34:31 GMT -5
I didn't think of that, Dick, but now that you mention it I came close to being dq'd in a match for low powered ammo when using 231 in 9mm. I always loaded way above the minimum 125PF, but barely squeaked by on a cool morning.
My experience showed slower velocity in cool weather whereas yours showed higher velocity. Weird.
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Post by bradshaw on Mar 3, 2014 15:53:23 GMT -5
Dick.... Love your posts, always a curl of gunsmoke about 'em. Great to have a son knows the fitting of a Smith. Has your son an opinion of non-drop forged & case hardened hammers & triggers? Factory guru Al Plaas worked on my revolvers, more than any other mechanic. Ron Power worked on a couple of 29's. Mainly it was Al Plaas at the factory. Wish I'd watched him more closely as he set back barrels to eliminate forcing cone erosion, mainly to watch him on thread timing.
With five Model 610 revolvers to report on, that's even better.
As to extractor stroke, why wouldn't the extractor on a 4" Barrel dump a 10mm moon clip. when the rod clears .44 Mag in the 4" 29?
Thanks, David Bradshaw
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Post by sixshot on Mar 3, 2014 22:51:19 GMT -5
David, my son Shane "Thompson Custom Guns" is mostly a high end rifle builder & he usually just rolls his eyes when dad shows up with another "need it right now project". One thing we have never, ever done is change the springs in my competition guns, everyone has the stock, factory springs. Many people have the idea that springs make a great trigger, not so! You get a great trigger by working on the trigger contact points, springs will give you a lighter or heavier trigger, they won't make a bad trigger into a good trigger. The 4" guns will extract just fine but you have to concentrate more to make sure they clear the gun, with the 6" or 6 1/2" guns its never a problem, you just have to pay a little more attention to detail, in speed shooting everything makes a difference. In the long range game that you dominated for so long its all based on accuracy, in my game speed comes first, of course you have to get your hits but a fast hit just outside the "A" zone is better than a slow "A".
Dick
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