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Post by patdaddy on Jan 27, 2014 9:47:12 GMT -5
Is that 500L cylinder not recessed for case heads? Does Bowen not do that?
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Post by arokcrwlr on Jan 27, 2014 10:34:54 GMT -5
My Nimrods have cylinders recessed for case heads. I see Bowen guns both ways - not sure why some do/don't.
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Post by bradshaw on Jan 27, 2014 10:54:01 GMT -5
patdaddy.... numerous forum members can answer you directly.
A cylinder countersunk for the rim is necessary for rimfire cartridges, not for rounds up through .44 mag. The countersunk chamber again comes into play with heavier recoiling cartridges, .454 Casull, .475 and .500 Linebaugh, .500 JRH, etc., as otherwise the loading gate must always be supported. Lest loading gate spring or snap off under recoil.
From a manufacturing standpoint, it is easier to headspace a cylinder without the counterbores. David Bradshaw
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Post by patdaddy on Jan 27, 2014 12:24:01 GMT -5
I prefer the look of a cylinder recessed for case heads. Reduced gap between the cylinder and recoil shield. I think it gives the gun a more finished look. I know Clements makes his recessed, says so on his website. I know Reeder prefers not to. I just thought that Bowen did. Suppose its up to the customer.
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Post by bradshaw on Jan 27, 2014 14:02:59 GMT -5
Take the Freedom Arms Model 83 as an example. This five shooter is carried with the hammer down on an empty chamber. As the revolver is cocked, the empty chamber aligns with the loading gate. The counterbored cylinder of the M83 holds the loading gate from tilting forward under recoil. Without the counterbore, the rim of an empty case would be used to provide the same support.
Events take place with rocks & dynamite cartridges, for which a revolver so chambered must be ready, and for which a good gunsmith accounts when building such a revolver. David Bradshaw
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lange1
.30 Stingray
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Post by lange1 on Jan 27, 2014 15:32:35 GMT -5
I have Nimrods in 45 and 500. My 45 is a 6.5 inch barrel, and I will tell you that it is much heavier than the stock 7.5 inch barrel, mainly due to the fact that the Nimrod barrels are bull barrels, the band is really a shoulder for the front sight and ERH, I don't think the band is too different from unbanded, which he will do on request. My 45 Nimrod has a balance that is waaay out there, and Hamilton suggested I don't do the 6.5 since the balance changes. He may have been right, but it simply hangs on the target, and recoil is more of a push than the same loads out of a Freedom Arms. The stock 5.5 Bisley in 45 has a light barrel, a smaller cylinder with 6 holes instead of 5, and the cylinder on the Nimrod is much heavier, there's a lot of steel there, and it's longer as well. They don't feel alike even when you're closing your eyes, but there is a difference in fit and finish as well that translates into the superlative feel of a Nimrod.
My 500s have the 5.5 inch barrel, with the band, and they sure balance sweetly, much more so than the 45. I think the balance is about as sweet as on any revolver I've ever held.
I think you'd like the balance of a 500 better than a 45, but I can't speak to a 475, I've only owned Freedom Arms 475s. The 45 feels like it's overly heavy with the 6.5 compared to the 5.5 500. The balance I think of the 500 compared with a stock 45 with a 5.5 inch barrel is similar, but the 500 feels so much more substantial - not heavier, necessarily, just more solid.
I will say that with heavy loads, the 500 comes right back at you compared to the 45, but with 435s at 950 or so, it is really easy to thump rocks and doesn't hurt. If my 3/4 inch metal plate isn't set up right, it goes down instantly.
The holsters built for Rugers are going to be a bit tight, but you can do it with some, but maybe not all makers, I have a cheapo Hunter 1100 holster that works fine. I'd like to have Barranti make me one of the Northwest Hunter Rigs for my Stainless 500, I've seen one or two on the forum.
And yes, all of my Nimrod cylinders are counterbored to support the gate, and according to Bowen's "Custom Revolver," apparently the gate on a NM Ruger is more susceptible to coming unhinged than other designs and instead of fixing them later, he just makes counterbored cylinders. I think that's the current method at BCA.
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Post by oregon45 on Jan 28, 2014 0:15:38 GMT -5
Thanks Lange1, that's great info.
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Post by oregon45 on Jan 28, 2014 0:24:09 GMT -5
I can only speak for the one Nimrod I own, a SS 500 Linebaugh I bought used five or six years ago from a gent in Alaska. It came with a lanyard loop that I have never really cared for, full Ringler leather set that works fine with or without the barrel band front sight, 100 Buff Bore loaded ammo, loads of brass, 100 of Kelye's early punch bullets that he used in a 50-110 to drop an elephant, 400 or so BTB cast and 200 450 hr Alaska Bullet Works jacketed bullets. It is a supreme arm in every way and weighs about what a 6" M29 does. Here it is with Alan Harton modified CaryC grips. Regarding leather, I strongly suggest you give Von a call. He made, makes?, FA leather and does really fine work. Also, if I were building a Nimrod from the get go it would not be a 45 Colt and most likely a 475. I went for the 500 as I already owned a 475 and it was sold as a true bargain. That's a great revolver and I've never tired of looking at it. Thanks for the info on Ringler leather, and the weight comparison. I've got a few 6" 29's so I can relate. One question has stuck in my mind looking at that picture: what is the rifle in the background?
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Post by boxhead on Jan 28, 2014 5:59:42 GMT -5
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Post by zac0419 on Jan 28, 2014 9:05:30 GMT -5
Box, that's the prettiest hijack I've ever seen.
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Post by jayhawker on Jan 28, 2014 11:29:43 GMT -5
That is one great piece of walnut!!
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Post by wildwillalaska on Jan 29, 2014 3:02:04 GMT -5
Arokcrwler--That 500L is pretty well affixed in Alaska for a while anyway. Would love to find a way to get that stainless sheep stocked 45 nimrod up north too if that's the one y'all are talking about.
It's about the only good day of floating and fly fishing I actually regret. I get to the boat take out. See the post about that gun on another forum--try like crazy to sign up on the other darn forum all while juggling fly rods and lost cell signals--about the time I see even the slightest progress there is Robb speaking up -- figured my attempts at that point were futile at best and have up. Still a beautiful day of huge rainbows, beautiful drift and equally beautiful gun gone.
Arokcwlr--you really need a birdshead framed TLA #5, would look classy down your neck of the woods. Send that Nimrod 45 north where I can put that stainless finish to the test. Sorry for the high jack--just stirring the thought.
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walker
.240 Incinerator
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Post by walker on Jan 29, 2014 15:07:58 GMT -5
Another recommendation for Von Ringler. He made the holster for Kraig's/Glenn's/Robb's/my (and I miss it) 45 Nimrod with a reverse welt for a sight channel. I shot equally poorly with either hand with that gun and it's comforting to know it's got a good home.
Terry
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Post by arokcrwlr on Jan 29, 2014 16:20:27 GMT -5
Hey wait! You mean a Von Ringler holster was supposed to come with the package? Glenn where's my leather man? Terry, it's a nice shootin iron - I'm happy I adopted it. Will, I'll keep you in mind if it gets tired of living here. Please do the same for me with the 500L.
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Post by kings6 on Jan 29, 2014 16:27:58 GMT -5
Sorry Kraig, the holster never made it to Glenn's! It lives up the road from me with my mule riding buddy!
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