|
Post by nolongcolt on Dec 13, 2013 22:55:28 GMT -5
I still kick myself about the Ruger Max I just missed at the local gun show last year for $475! Passed it to look at something else, went back to buy it:Gone! Frickin' idiot! Gawd!
|
|
|
Post by mbaneacp on Dec 19, 2013 20:42:15 GMT -5
I really hate to admit this, but I've never even SHOT a .357 Max! I've shot everything from a 16th Century "hand cannone" to a howitzer, but somehow the Max has slipped through the cracks. I would love to own one of the 10 1/2-inch Blackhawks! Maybe that'll be one of my 2014 goals...
Michael B
|
|
|
Post by sixshot on Dec 19, 2013 21:20:21 GMT -5
Hint...somebody has an unfired one for sale over on Ruger forum!
Dick
|
|
|
Post by fanofthefortyone on Jan 24, 2014 11:16:02 GMT -5
I manage to find 200 pcs of new Remington brass for the Maximum. Bowen target sight and a pair of grips also. They will be here in a week or so. What profile bullet do you recommend for it? Will be shopping for those now. Ronnie
|
|
coogs
.401 Bobcat
Posts: 2,673
|
Post by coogs on Jan 25, 2014 17:50:27 GMT -5
I use a few different bullets, 180, 200 and 210 cast w/gas check. Can't tell you exactly what they are, my butt is in the sand in Jamaica right now!!! Be home next week, Coogs.
|
|
|
Post by fanofthefortyone on Mar 18, 2014 19:34:23 GMT -5
a question for those who might know. when i bought some 357 Maximum brass i got a bag of 100 180 grain bullets thrown in,not sure who made them, any ideas? what would you use for load data? thanks, ronnie
|
|
|
Post by bradshaw on Mar 18, 2014 20:15:36 GMT -5
Ronnie.... Remington 180 JHP. Longer ogive (nose) than predecessor Remington 158 JHP with scalloped jacket, thus may be distinguished in loaded round without pulling bullet. The Remington 180 JHP followed on heals of Federal 180 JHP----the only .357 Maximum round offered by Federal. Immediately after introduction of the Federal .357 Maximum 180 JHP, the bullet was loaded in .357 Magnum, code "357G." I've taken deer with the Federal Maximum round in the Ruger 10-1/2", and in .357 Mag in a stainless Colt Python 6-inch. The 500 fps velocity difference (1,600 fps via Maximum; 1,100 fps via Magnum) is noticeable on lung-shot deer.
Start with 20 grains IMR or Hodgdon 4227, creep half grain at a time toward 22.5 grains. Target off the bag minimum 50 yards, 100 yds if possible. Let accuracy be your guide. With Win 296 or H110 (both are 296), start at 20 or 21 grains. You may get away without a chronograph, but you don't get away without the target.
I prefer Anti-Seize compound on the ratchet and don't mind it at all on the cylinder pin. Chassis grease likewise is fine. I use motor oil on the lockwork, and LIKE IT on hammer/trigger engagements. Oil on springs and rear sight screws. David Bradshaw
|
|
|
Post by fanofthefortyone on Mar 18, 2014 20:55:41 GMT -5
Mr.Bradshaw, thanks for the reply and information on load data. I intend to load and shoot it for the first time this weekend,I can shoot up to 125 yards in my yard.i wondered if they might be Remington bullets as the brass is supposed to be NOS Remington. Brass is primed but I'll deprime and size before I load. Thanks again, Ronnie
|
|
|
Post by bradshaw on Mar 19, 2014 9:07:38 GMT -5
Ronnie.... not good with abbreviations, initials, personal acronyms. What is "NOS Remington?" If your Remington brass has the Remington copper-color primer and looks to be factory seated, most likely is is a Remington small rifle primer. Were it a small pistol primer, it won't harm your revolver. Takes a lot of pressure to BLANK the primer----shear cup into firing pin hole----or a weak mainspring, which your revolver almost certainly doesn't have. Try a load of your Remington 180 JHP over 20/4227 and look at the primer, far from a stiff load.
One condition other than high pressure changes the primer blanking picture: a square or pointed tip firing pin. Smooth radius on tip of firing pin, in conjunction with close fit in bushing and forceful mainspring obviates most Blanking. David Bradshaw
|
|
|
Post by fanofthefortyone on Mar 19, 2014 10:06:47 GMT -5
Mr.Bradshaw, my apologies on the acronym. NOS=New Old Stock. Yes they have copper colored primers that appear to be factory seated. So I'll give them a try before I decide to deprime them. I have a pound of IMR 4227 to try your load. Thanks again for all your help, Ronnie
|
|
|
Post by nolongcolt on May 29, 2014 22:30:32 GMT -5
What is the length of the Ruger Max cylinder?
|
|
|
Post by bradshaw on May 30, 2014 13:31:53 GMT -5
Ronnie.... if you have factory primed .357 Maximum brass, why not load and shoot as is? Remington brass is heavier than Federal----thicker at radius of web-to-sidewall, thus enjoys longer reloading life. All the Federal brass I shot----factory experimental, factory production, and handloading brass----is nickel plated. Nickel contributes nothing to brass strength; some argue that nickel plating weakens brass. Sole advantage of nickel plate is vastly superior corrosion resistance.
Note on forcing cones: whether the forcing cone is 5 or 11 degrees, or somewhere in between, to guide the bullet into the rifling it must be CONCENTRIC and SMOOTH, and preferable not excessively deep. Bench rest shooters tend towards a 1.5-degree ramp on the lands, which probably would work for revolvers as well, were it not for having to slurp bullets from multiple independent chambers with a bit of offset. Drawback of the very gradual rifle ramp, applied to a revolver, comes from having to deeply drive so gradual a cone to achieve width enough at the barrel mouth to avoid shaving----spitting.
I cannot tell what degree of forcing cone a revolver has by looking at it. However, an off-axis or rough cone is generally observable. I cannot abide a lousy forcing cone. A proper 3 or 5 or 7 or 10 or 11-degree cone works fine. To repeat, a cone cut by a purple-ass baboon kills your bullet before it's in the rifling.
nolongcolt.... don't have a Maximum at hand, but it's on the plus side of 1.9-inches. As the cylinder is not counter-bored, add .060-inch for rim thickness, which allows you to compare with a counter-bored cylinder. The Dan Wesson and Sig Himmelman revolvers have a longer cylinder; nice touch but not necessary to seat and crimp most heavy bullets. For instance, the Hornady .358 200 grain Round Nose rifle bullet is too long to crimp in the cannelure for any of the above revolvers. I profile crimp these bullets on the ogive, and accord same treatment to other long bullets. A roll crimp also works.
Note on powder: discontinued Winchester 680 and Accurate 1680 are slow ball propellants; both work well loaded dense with 180 to 200 grain bullets. Consider these powders too slow to load down. Best propellant for downloading is Hodgdon or IMR 4227, and 2400 when you get in a pinch. A download is 2-grains below bullet base. David Bradshaw
|
|
|
Post by nolongcolt on May 30, 2014 13:37:09 GMT -5
Thanks Mr Bradshaw for all the info! I hope to be close to finally having one of the Ruger's to play with soon. If not I keep looking and have been following the info placed here for some time.
|
|
|
Post by nolongcolt on Jun 1, 2014 14:45:07 GMT -5
I did manage to finally snag one on GB on Friday so all of this info will serve me well soon, thanks all!
|
|
|
Post by whitworth on Jun 2, 2014 10:51:22 GMT -5
I did manage to finally snag one on GB on Friday so all of this info will serve me well soon, thanks all! Congratulations on the score!
|
|