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Post by Lee Martin on Oct 28, 2013 15:21:58 GMT -5
Ruger 03 5-1/5" .45 Colt loaded with Sierra 240 JHC; 27/H110; Starline brass; FC 155; COL=1.590"; 1306 fps. Shutter 1/13 second. Not a time exposure, per se. Perhaps hammer at full cock indicates beginning of shutter open, with muzzle blast following. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at a time"
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Post by tek4260 on Oct 28, 2013 17:36:37 GMT -5
Nice photo! Could be the dreaded hammer bounce
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Post by bradshaw on Oct 28, 2013 18:24:02 GMT -5
tek4260.... not hammer bounce to full cock. Besides, were it hammer bounce, it would show at least some recoil. I think the slow shutter time allowed the affect of a double exposure. I told camerman to shoot as slow a shutter speed as possible, specifically to try and catch muzzle blast which mostly escapes the human eye. (I have taken photos, in the dark, of muzzle blast----with film camera----by holding shutter open, then firing the strobe. Time exposure captures muzzle flash, while the strobe captures the shooter. Inevitably with this technique, the pistol is vertical in recoil, while the muzzle blast remains in the line of sight.) David Bradshaw
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Post by Lee Martin on Oct 28, 2013 18:30:23 GMT -5
Spectacular photo David. I too would've guessed hammer movement but your explanation makes perfect sense. Can't remember that last time I saw a fireball pic as well done. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at a time"
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Post by steve on Oct 28, 2013 18:37:26 GMT -5
Very cool pics! What's the story behind that big hole in the side of the truck?
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Post by tek4260 on Oct 28, 2013 20:14:53 GMT -5
tek4260.... not hammer bounce to full cock. Besides, wereit hammer bounce, it would show at least some recoil. I think the slow shutter time allowed the affect of a double exposure. I told camerman to shoot as slow a shutter speed as possible, specifically to try and catch muzzle blast which mostly escapes the human eye. (I have taken photos, in the dark, of muzzle blast----with film camera----by holding shutter open, then firing the strobe. Time exposure captures muzzle flash, while the strobe captures the shooter. Inevitably with this technique, the pistol is vertical in recoil, while the muzzle blast remains in the line of sight.) David Bradshaw I was just funnin a bit. I remember all the arguments over hammer bounce and doubling and the photo reminded me of that.
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Post by Fowler on Oct 28, 2013 21:25:49 GMT -5
I tried basically that load in my 4 5/8" 45 colt Bisley, a lot of bark for sure. I loaded a box to test with 250 XTP and a 250gr WFNGC bullet that I couldnt get to shoot very well and thought if I pushed it harder it might settle down and get accurate. We the moral of the story is it didnt shoot the WFN well at any speed, the XTP would shoot well but not any better than it does at more reasonable levels. So the box sat around for a long while and one evening we were out shooting and as dusk settled I remembered the box and grabbed it to just burn up for the brass basically. Well the fireballs in the growing darkness was one of the more fun sessions of shooting I have ever enjoyed. I just remember shooting and giggling at every shot at the fireball and glowing spots in my vision. Good times for sure...
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Post by tek4260 on Oct 28, 2013 21:35:19 GMT -5
I've got one of my 45's sighted in with that bullet and powder combo. I loaded mine with 28gr and got good groups for me at 50 yards. I need to get a deer in front of it one of these days.
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Post by bradshaw on Oct 29, 2013 9:11:54 GMT -5
The camerman with the Canon is a live wire surfer-skier who asked me to check out his 7mm Rem Mag deer rifle. He had no idea, the picture he was about to take.
tek4260.... got tight extreme spreads firing the Sierra 240 JHC & 27/H110 (and 27/296), measured just over 1300 fps on Oehler 35P. Saw no reason to bump to the 28 gr./H110 listed as max in Hodgdon Manual.
For the Nosler 250 JHP, I drop charge to 24.7/H110. Would work in this charge zone with Hornady 250 XTP, as well.
As a side note, the Speer Gold Dot 260 JHP .45 Colt from the Ruger 03 puts a heavy dent in the very tough skin of a stainless steel dairy pot. Velocity 900 fps, range 25 to 40n yards. The Nosler 250 JHP over 24.7/H110, at 1150 fps, punches through beth sides of the same can from 200 yards. The Nosler sheds its smashed jacket inside or outside the can, while the core blows through. Velocity counts, particularly in penetrating metal, but the Nosler must drop to factory .45 Colt velocity by the TIME it reaches the can @ 200 yards. The Gold Dot 260 is designed to work at Peacemaker velocity; the Nosler built to take more. David Bradshaw
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Post by tek4260 on Oct 29, 2013 9:45:10 GMT -5
Actually that load should have shot better. I shot 2, which are through the same hole on the bottom left, walked down and checked the target, then 2 more, then the final one after I checked for pull. If I had shot them all together without leaving the bench, it might have been a great 50 yard group. castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?178647-It-never-really-shot-well-with-cast-anywayNeedless to say, this is my go to load in this particular revolver.
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Post by bradshaw on Oct 29, 2013 9:52:06 GMT -5
Note on HAMMER BOUNCE....
Double Action: Well established in S&W Model 29; seen in other big bore models. Cylinder rotation actuated by trigger. When the trigger is squeezed and the revolver fires, hammer bounce cannot itself rotate cylinder.
Single Action: Bounce to any appreciable degree exceedingly rare in SA. Cylinder rotation actuated by hammer. Rearward hammer movement unlocks and rotates cylinder. David Bradshaw
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Post by oldschool on Oct 29, 2013 13:06:10 GMT -5
Fantastic photography, David! I get similar fireballs out of my .41 Mag Ruger OM 4-5/8" Blackhawk with heavy doses of H110/WW296.
I'm with Steve, what's with that apparent bullet hole in the rear fender of that truck? Looks like a heavy dose of H110 scorched the paint!
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Post by bradshaw on Oct 29, 2013 16:52:38 GMT -5
Boys, I can't tell you nothing about that there Toyota. Belongs to the man with the Canon camera. North Country truck, I reckon, from where roads are salted. Now that you made me notice it, looks a rust hole, painted black. David Bradshaw
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