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Post by Gary @ R&G on Dec 28, 2012 19:45:26 GMT -5
Looking for a Remington 700 mag action for my long range project. Anyone know where a bargain is? I may just order a new action from Brownells but I have bough a lot of compete guns for the price of their actions.
BTW JG talked me into the 300 RUM.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Dec 28, 2012 23:25:07 GMT -5
Gary, I was doing the same thing, but I was aiming at at 338 Edge. I procured a rifle in 300 Remington Ultra mag, but ran into issues with the bottom metal and magazines. It seems AI magazines I intended to use had to have a relief machine cut to function properly.
I changed gears and picked up a Savage FCP in 338 Lapua. Yeah, a bit pricey for factory hulls but man it is a KILLER of the first order on big hogs here in S. Texas. I mean it lays them OUT. Hog Transmission chunks all over the place! I havent had the opportunity to stretch it way out so far, but I will get around to it. It is currently in my brothers shop being glass bedded. I also picked up a Nightforce scope for it.
I couldnt be more satisfied with the rifle or its performance. I suggest you give it a look....
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Post by Gary @ R&G on Dec 29, 2012 9:15:56 GMT -5
I thought about the Savage. I have a 12 in 223 that I run a can on. Shoots right with my 700 VS 223. I found naked 700 actions from Brownells for $440 and complete ADL rifle packages at Wally world for $397. Waiting on JG to state a preference. If the ADL is OK I will pull the stock, barrel, trigger,and cheap scope and turn them to knock the cost of the action down abit.
I can buy the FCP for about 1/2 the price of this project.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Dec 29, 2012 22:04:43 GMT -5
Do as you wish, but I say you should save the money and get the Savage. You can be shooting it by next week....
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Post by Gary @ R&G on Dec 30, 2012 11:40:35 GMT -5
I have a line on an FCP. Your killing me. JG is probably sick of hearing from me changing my mind.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Dec 30, 2012 13:21:08 GMT -5
You coulda just asked me in the first place. the Rem factory 338L seems to have accumulated alot of complaints. I would wait till they got it right. They changed the brake, which seemed to be the issue. JG knows which side of his bread the butter is on. He will get over it. Fact is there are lots if options. Buy the Savage. Shoot it. If not satisfied build your custom. Shoot the Savage meanwhile.
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Post by warhawk on Dec 30, 2012 19:02:32 GMT -5
I intend to build a long range rig in 338 Ultra Mag, based on a Rem 700.
Someday
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Post by 2 Dogs on Jan 3, 2013 22:42:31 GMT -5
So, warhawk, buy a Savage 338 Lapua in the FCP version. You can be shooting it in no time. Someday sucks. I looked hard at the Remington factory version. The Savage had the better trigger, bottom metal, and a fluted barrel along with an excellent muzzle brake. Plus, the stock on the Remington isnt my favorite. Im a Remington man at heart, but Savage beat em out with this one...
When I shoot the barrel out of my Savage, I will go to a 30 inch match grade tube and keep shooting.
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Post by bradshaw on Jan 21, 2013 9:20:48 GMT -5
2 Dogs.... let me know when you burn out barrel of your Savage .338 Lapua. Granted the .338 Win Mag has less capacity, but a good barrel endures multiple thousands of rounds while holding pristine accuracy. Large bores of course have more surface to absorb repeated passes of the cutting torch. Not to mention, a good, big bullet seems less fowling sensitive in sustained fire.
Big bullets never seem to read the manual which says that work performed is a mathematic formula.
David Bradshaw
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Post by jwp475 on Jan 21, 2013 15:04:26 GMT -5
2 Dogs.... let me know when you burn out barrel of your Savage .338 Lapua. Granted the .338 Win Mag has less capacity, but a good barrel endures multiple thousands of rounds while holding pristine accuracy. Large bores of course have more surface to absorb repeated passes of the cutting torch. Not to mention, a good, big bullet seems less fowling sensitive in sustained fire. Big bullets never seem to read the manual which says that work performed is a mathematic formula. David Bradshaw Spot on David as usually. I built my 338 Lapua on a Rem 700 action with Seekins bottom metal and detachable box magazine. I scoped the bore at the 500 round mark and it show no erosion at all in fact it still looked brand new |
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Post by squawberryman on Jan 21, 2013 16:28:41 GMT -5
JWP please offer your recipe. A buddy of mine has a Sako that at 800 rounds the throat looks like the surface of the moon. I've got a GA gun that only has about 150 but I don't want to rebarrel at 8. Mike loads his hot, I'm a bit more conservative. 2Dogs, what loads are you dismantling pork with?
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Post by jwp475 on Jan 21, 2013 17:13:04 GMT -5
I shoot the 300 SMK at 2800 FPS. I use Lapua cases with 92 grains of H-1000 ahead of f-215M primers.
I do not shot shot after shot until the barrel over heats. Barrel heat in the throat increases erosion. MY rifle is used not long range hunting not long range match shooting. The constant cleaning of the barrels that match shooters do and the rapid fire typoe shot strings that they shoot increase barrel erosion IMHO
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Post by 2 Dogs on Mar 2, 2013 21:22:55 GMT -5
2 Dogs.... let me know when you burn out barrel of your Savage .338 Lapua. Granted the .338 Win Mag has less capacity, but a good barrel endures multiple thousands of rounds while holding pristine accuracy. Large bores of course have more surface to absorb repeated passes of the cutting torch. Not to mention, a good, big bullet seems less fowling sensitive in sustained fire. Big bullets never seem to read the manual which says that work performed is a mathematic formula. David Bradshaw David, my own 338 WM, a Winchester stainless, did significant work for me. As I recall, I reloaded 17 boxes of component bullets for the thing of all sorts before it gave up the ghost. Of course some boxes were 50 rounds and some were 100 bullets. I would expect that I shot the rifle somewhere between 1000 and 1200 rounds but that barrel was GONE. I killed several Nilgai with it, coyotes, and whitetail deer and did so with authority. It was impressive and a favorite and I loved shooting it. I had my brother glass bed it into a McMillan, installed a muzzle brake and a Leupold 4x14X with a target elevator on it. What a hammer it was too. After I shot it out, my brother Henry traded me out of the action and it now lives on as a 338 Ultra Mag as barrel by Glenn Martin. |
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Post by 2 Dogs on Mar 2, 2013 21:26:29 GMT -5
JWP please offer your recipe. A buddy of mine has a Sako that at 800 rounds the throat looks like the surface of the moon. I've got a GA gun that only has about 150 but I don't want to rebarrel at 8. Mike loads his hot, I'm a bit more conservative. 2Dogs, what loads are you dismantling pork with? Squawberryman, a close friend gave me several boxes of Hornady 250 grain match loads. Even after sighting the Lapua in I havent gone thru 2 20 round boxes yet. When I get enough once fired brass together I plan to try the 225 SST in the Lapua as I doubt I will try a game shot much farther than 500 yards with my Lapua on game. Let there be no doubt that 338 diameter match bullets kill big pigs like the black plague! |
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Post by bradshaw on Mar 4, 2013 21:08:24 GMT -5
2 Dogs.... curious for details on your stainless (New Haven Classic?) M70 338 Win Mag. I'm under the impression the barrels are hammer forged. Material matters, but forging----and broaching and hooking----allows for greater land depth----than button rifling. Hammering also work hardens steel. The early 1970s SAKO barrels were gun drilled,reamed, micro-honed, and lapped before forging with what appear substantial lands. Those SAKO barrels are superior and long lived (unlike some early SAKO button rifled barrels).
Remington hammer forged barrels on the XP-100 gave longer service life than custom buttoned barrels, is my experience.
I would expect that .338 barrels by Savage, Remington, SAKO, nowadays Ruger, Weatherby, Browning, and FN Winchester are forged. Correct me if I'm wrong.
1000 to 1200 ain't diddly for accuracy life outside benchrest, so something is not right. I can't be the only one curious,
David Bradshaw
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