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Post by Ken O'Neill on Aug 18, 2012 6:31:45 GMT -5
I believe that it did exit, but it's been about 8 years since I shot that one, and I can't recall. I'll check for the article I wrote on that hunt when I get a chance. In any event, the bison stumbled 13 yards and fell over dead, so it doesn't matter. I did keep a 420 WFN that penetrated the length of this Argentine water buffalo bull, turned on the hip and went down to the knee joint, a total of 7 feet of penetration. The nose was smudged. It could be sized, lubed, and shot again. I'm very conscious of the possibility of overpenetration, though, since I shot through a blue wildebeast in South Africa and inadvertently killed a second unseen one behind it in 1994. Size? Well I don't carry a scale, but it was a good size mature animal. I wanted to post photos of several of these buff, but I can't get my Photobucket account to work. The drop-down function doesn't work when I scroll to the picture, so ... no posting ****MYSTERIOUSLY FIXED ITSELF ON AUG. 23 **** Yes, the XTP's are a bit spendy ... but worth it. The cost pales in comparison to the cost of such hunts, though. Obviously cast bullets can also work quite well - shooter's choice - and I use both. By the way, I also talked to the people at Crazy Woman about 8-9 years ago, and was so turned off by their negative attitude toward handguns and the fact that they waited until late in the planning to tell me about it, that I told them there were plenty of places that would be happy to accomodate me, and ended our conversation. I wouldn't waste 30 seconds talking to them if I were you.
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Post by sixshot on Aug 18, 2012 11:35:07 GMT -5
I like Ken's advice because its first hand & over a long period of time....think he's old! I'm a long time cast bullet shooter but these guys that are traveling all over the world & knocking down stuff the size of a Volkswagen must know what they are doing. That 400 gr XTP has a great reputation for large game. I think if you are buying both that a quality hardcast slug is going to cost you just as much as a jacketed slug, unless you are making your own & possibly heat treating. Ken, I had the same problem a while back with my photobucket account,, had to get Shane's wife in here to bail me out.....again!
Dick
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Post by Ken O'Neill on Aug 18, 2012 12:48:17 GMT -5
"... he's old!" That's certainly true, Dick, and feeling it more and more each day! I wish Shane would send the Missus here to straighten out my Photobucket ....
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Post by zeus on Aug 19, 2012 11:43:16 GMT -5
Check and make sure it didn't log you out of photobucket. That would disable your drop downs probably. Good first hand accounts Ken. I'll be touching base with you soon
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Post by stevemb on Aug 20, 2012 11:53:47 GMT -5
My concern would be freezer space ! Just how much boned out meat can expect from a Buff ? I'd not want any to go to waste. You guys are making me hungry ! I'm good for 2+ lbs of beef or similar at a setting, per steaks and such. How fr would that get me thru Buff tenderloins ? stevemb
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Post by Ken O'Neill on Aug 20, 2012 15:24:56 GMT -5
Hanging weight of a bison ( sans innards, horns, hide and feet) will be about 60% of live weight. Cut, ready to be packaged meat will be about 60% of hanging weight. In other words: a bunch of meat.
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Post by crash87 on Aug 20, 2012 19:20:00 GMT -5
I have been looking all over for the information, but can't seem to find it. A few years ago there was a ranch that offered hunts in Montana. The camp was very traditional and you stayed in a one room, dirt floor, sod roofed cabin and then the next morning you got to chase the buffalos from horse or foot with the weapon of your choice. They really pushed the use of buffalo sharps rifles, but allowed handgun and archery. After a kill was made they went and got a tractor. But you had the option of packing your kill out on horses if you wanted. This is a link to a chase style hunt for yearling bulls here.. But it sure seems like it might be a little to much "babysitting" by them for my taste?? From reading there site, it makes me think your guide might show up in Dreadlocks and sandles,,,,stinking of Patchouli Oil ...LOL www.crazywomanbison.com/index.htm They really need some pressure to remove there handgun restriction. We need to get about 200 menbers together to email them requesting some handgun hunts....I am sure that they would change there minds about the subject if they were properly introduced to the 500 Linebaugh
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Post by crash87 on Aug 20, 2012 19:38:10 GMT -5
I have been looking all over for the information, but can't seem to find it. A few years ago there was a ranch that offered hunts in Montana. The camp was very traditional and you stayed in a one room, dirt floor, sod roofed cabin and then the next morning you got to chase the Buffalo's from horse or foot with the weapon of your choice. They really pushed the use of buffalo sharps rifles, but allowed handgun and archery. After a kill was made they went and got a tractor. But you had the option of packing your kill out on horses if you wanted. This is a link to a chase style hunt for yearling bulls here.. But it sure seems like it might be a little to much "babysitting" by them for my taste?? From reading there site, it makes me think your guide might show up in Dreadlocks and sandles,,,,stinking of Patchouli Oil ...LOL www.crazywomanbison.com/index.htm They really need some pressure to remove there handgun restriction. We need to get about 200 menbers together to email them requesting some handgun hunts....I am sure that they would change there minds about the subject if they were properly introduced to the 500 Linebaugh You dont stay in a sod roofed cabin anymore, its a local motel. You dont chase them on horseback or foot anymore either. Weapon of your choice, as long as it is a "rifle" of suitable caliber for a quick clean kill. 200 handgun hunters aren't going to do squat, because of a certain few who decided his hunting Fields were the OK corral. Hence his rule for no handguns. Oh and by the way He has been Properly introduced to the 500 and the little brother. Doesn't matter, read the part again about the certain few. [ i]From reading there site, it makes me think your guide might show up in Dreadlocks and sandles,,,,stinking of Patchouli Oil ...LOL[/i] I've hunted there, more than once. If you actually knew Doug and his wife, you would have never made such an obsurd and moronic comment. Back to the topic, free ranging buffalo especially in the in the Henry mountains, Canada, and Alaska are truly "hunts". Ranch hunts are as COR said, are basically harvests, but it does not take away the thrill of getting up close and personal with one of these beasts. CRASH87
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Post by dlhredfoxx on Aug 21, 2012 17:55:48 GMT -5
Seems like a nice place and a fun hunt... would love to do that some day and fill the freezer up for the year! Too bad they don't allow responsible hunters to shoot a big bore revolver at 'em... guess a few bad apples spooled the whole barrel for them.
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Post by Freedom on Aug 21, 2012 18:13:27 GMT -5
I have been looking all over for the information, but can't seem to find it. A few years ago there was a ranch that offered hunts in Montana. The camp was very traditional and you stayed in a one room, dirt floor, sod roofed cabin and then the next morning you got to chase the Buffalo's from horse or foot with the weapon of your choice. They really pushed the use of buffalo sharps rifles, but allowed handgun and archery. After a kill was made they went and got a tractor. But you had the option of packing your kill out on horses if you wanted. This hunt that I mentioned was an entirely different place. I think the hunts were somewhere near Dillon. (Not the Crazy woman)200 handgun hunters aren't going to do squat, because of a certain few who decided his hunting Fields were the OK corral. Hence his rule for no handguns. Oh and by the way He has been Properly introduced to the 500 and the little brother. Doesn't matter, read the part again about the certain few. [ i]From reading there site, it makes me think your guide might show up in Dreadlocks and sandles,,,,stinking of Patchouli Oil ...LOL[/i]I've hunted there, more than once. If you actually knew Doug and his wife, you would have never made such an obsurd and moronic comment. CRASH87[/quote] Sorry, I didn't mean to upset you... Too bad about the Handgun restriction...seems like if they will give a rifle hunter 3 shots before they join in to blow a few more holes in your animal, That they could allow the handgunner 3 shots as well???
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Post by Freedom on Aug 21, 2012 18:15:10 GMT -5
I believe that it did exit, but it's been about 8 years since I shot that one, and I can't recall. I'll check for the article I wrote on that hunt when I get a chance. In any event, the bison stumbled 13 yards and fell over dead, so it doesn't matter. I did keep a 420 WFN that penetrated the length of an Argentine water buffalo bull, turned on the hip and went down to the knee joint, a total of 7 feet of penetration. The nose was smudged. It could be sized, lubed, and shot again. I'm very conscious of the possibility of overpenetration, though, since I shot through a blue wildebeast in South Africa and inadvertently killed a second unseen one behind it in 1994. Size? Well I don't carry a scale, but it was a good size mature animal. I wanted to post photos of several of these buff, but I can't get my Photobucket account to work. The drop-down function doesn't work when I scroll to the picture, so ... no posting. I've posted many hundreds of photos from photobucket to several forums over the years, so I don't know what the problem is now, but it's certainly been annoying me for the last 2 days. If anyone can offer any insight, I'd appreciate it. Yes, the XTP's are a bit spendy ... but worth it. The cost pales in comparison to the cost of such hunts, though. Obviously cast bullets can also work quite well - shooter's choice - and I use both. By the way, I also talked to the people at Crazy Woman about 8-9 years ago, and was so turned off by their negative attitude toward handguns and the fact that they waited until late in the planning to tell me about it, that I told them there were plenty of places that would be happy to accomodate me, and ended our conversation. I wouldn't waste 30 seconds talking to them if I were you. Thanks for posting this Ken...this is GREAT info!!
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Post by Ken O'Neill on Aug 23, 2012 19:05:51 GMT -5
Photobucket problem disappeared without action on my part (?) and photos added to August 16th and 18th posts.
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Post by Markbo on Aug 24, 2012 11:19:20 GMT -5
Thanks for the great info Ken. 7 feet of penetratoin with an XTP is unexpected to me! Then again I have not used them in .475 or .500.
So excluding travel, I am thinking hunting fee, processing, taxidermy (maybe just tanning the hide) that I'd be looking in the $6-7000 range. That sound pretty accurate?
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Post by Ken O'Neill on Aug 24, 2012 17:37:35 GMT -5
Markbo, You need to read that post again - the 7' of penetration was with a 420 gr. WFN hardcast bullet. You should get out cheaper than that. Meat processing should be about $ .38/lb, cut & wrapped & hard frozen. Taxidermy obviously depends upon who & what. Shop hard and carefully ... cows, young bulls, trophy bulls ... prices will vary.
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Post by Markbo on Aug 25, 2012 12:53:49 GMT -5
...You need to read that post again - the 7' of penetration was with a 420 gr. WFN hardcast bullet. .... Yup... that makes a little more sense! ;D
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