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Post by dlhredfoxx on Jul 23, 2012 13:16:51 GMT -5
Which is a more efficient killer, in your opinion? I've read and heard a lot of differing opinions on depth of penetration of the 475 Linebaugh, vs. the smack the heck out of 'em larger front meplat of the 500 Linebaugh. Say you were shooting a 440g out of both, at the same speed... at say an American bison, a really big mature bull elk or a bear (black/grizz/brown)... Let's keep the discussion and debate just btwn these two chamberings for the time being as their are obviously much more powerful loads available than these (the Max's and the 500 S&W)... but I'm keeping it to the standard Ruger large frame and Linebaugh chamberings. Obviously a clean two-hole pass through is what it is... and dead is dead... but I'd like to hear some more from the guys here who have hunted and taken large game with both.
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Post by whitworth on Jul 23, 2012 13:33:24 GMT -5
For a very long time, the .500 Linebaugh has been handicapped with relatively light bullets. They work like gangbusters with 500 - 525 grain bullets at very moderate velocities. In this configuration they can compete for top penetration honors with the .475 which has traditionally been the caliber to beat at many a Linebaugh Seminar. The .475 IMHO has no flies on it. It is probably the best all-around big game revolver cartridge in existence (next to the .45 Colt of course). That said, the 525s we shoot out of our .500 Linebaughs at about 1,100 fps smack the snot out of big game animals. Will you notice a difference between the two on moderately large game? Probably not, but step up in size........JMHO -- and your mileage may vary....... ;D
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Post by dlhredfoxx on Jul 23, 2012 14:06:42 GMT -5
Whit, what would you consider very moderate velocity on a 500g bullet out of the 500 Linebaugh? 1,000fps???
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Post by Lee Martin on Jul 23, 2012 14:09:58 GMT -5
I also like heavies in the 500 Linebaugh. In fact, I've been shooting 525 WFNs in mine this year over 26.0 of H110. Goes 1,080 - 1,100 fps and is blisteringly accurate. They'll equal or out-penetrate the 475 Linebaugh too. But all that said, I wouldn't trade in my 475. It's an excellent big game round. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at a time" |
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Post by whitworth on Jul 23, 2012 14:18:36 GMT -5
Whit, what would you consider very moderate velocity on a 500g bullet out of the 500 Linebaugh? 1,000fps??? 1,100 fps or thereabouts. They just flat-out work at these levels. I think the loads I was hunting with last year were running closer to 1,200 fps, but it's academic at best. |
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Post by Lee Martin on Jul 23, 2012 14:33:13 GMT -5
I'd consider 900 fps to be moderate for the 525's. You could easily get there with HS6 or Blue Dot and it'd be easy on the wrist. And I should caution.....26.0 of H110 and a 525 WFN is max. Don't push it harder. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at a time" |
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Post by whitworth on Jul 23, 2012 15:03:31 GMT -5
In this context, this velocity is considered a maximum. But, I consider 1,100 fps moderate in the grand scheme of things -- yes, it is a max load for that weight bullet, but a moderate velocity relative to other revolver rounds we load/shoot/hunt with. I should have clarified.
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Post by Lee Martin on Jul 23, 2012 15:47:49 GMT -5
Ya, 1,100 fps isn't setting any land speed records but it hits like a ton of bricks. Not hard on the gun either. In fact, the load I cited about is just under 35,000 PSI. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at a time" |
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Post by 450ak on Jul 23, 2012 15:58:35 GMT -5
I have shot bison heifers with the 475 405 Keith at 1189 fps, and a 500 L with 450 Keiths at 1125. Probably shot 6 with the 475, shot three times that with the 500. I think the 500 kills better, there seems to be a change of attitude when hit well with the 500. We have also killed lots with a 45 Colt and 310 keith at 1200. They will all work, buffalo need to hit very well to die. Good son killed one with a 3.5 inch Vaquero, 18.5 of 2400, and the 270SAA. Straight through the front, went through the upper heart and she was immediately silly, falling through the fence. Dead in 10 to 15 seconds.
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Post by 450ak on Jul 23, 2012 16:18:11 GMT -5
These heifers average a little over 900 pounds on the hoof, some close to a 1000. For the bulls, I use a 505 Gibbs and have wondered if it was big enough a couple of times...............
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Post by subsonic on Jul 23, 2012 16:27:53 GMT -5
I am not unhappy with my .475. I haven't played with my .500JRH enough to say either way, but there are some compromises.
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Post by cddogfan1 on Jul 23, 2012 17:45:11 GMT -5
Right now in the current market if a guy was making his first true big bore purchase which direction do you point him?
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Post by Ken O'Neill on Jul 23, 2012 19:14:57 GMT -5
Right now in the current market if a guy was making his first true big bore purchase which direction do you point him? If by "true big bore" you mean .475's, .500's and .510's, I'd point him to the .475 Linebaugh. With it, I've personally taken a number of hogs, large bears, bull elk, Argentine water buffalo and bison, and have seen it used by others. With 400-420 gr. bullets, it's good for anything. I don't have a .500 Linebaugh today, but have used the .500WE a good bit on large hogs and a couple of bison. I actually load my WE's a bit lighter than my .475's, but with similar bullet weights and velocities, they're 2 peas from the same pod. The same is also true of the .500JRH and .500 Linebaugh, a .510. Jacketed bullets, should you want to use them from time to time, are readily available in .475 and .500, not so in .510. |
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Post by cddogfan1 on Jul 23, 2012 19:33:52 GMT -5
I mean 475 and bigger. By current market I mean available factory ammo, reloading components, both at the local shop and mail order. Also what about operating pressures and revolver life.
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Post by subsonic on Jul 23, 2012 20:34:23 GMT -5
If you want "store bought" and "low maintenance", you want a .475 Linebaugh. Stuff is much harder to come by for the .500's unless it's a S&W .500. The .475 is much easier to feed. Carbide dies are readily available, factory ammo from Hornady, factory brass from multiple places, and store bought bullets and boolits are out there easy to be had. Loading data is in a lot of the books too. Not so with some of the "others".
Really, the .475 has no flies on it.
The .500's take a little more "work" to find stuff.
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