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Post by AxeHandle on Jun 14, 2012 7:02:23 GMT -5
Let's lay the blame where it belongs.. Ruger! Grip frame preference is like the old boxer or briefs argument. There are no rights, no wrongs. Ruger's decision to use the Bisley name for their grip frame created all the confusion. As you guys have already stated the original Colt Bisley and the Ruger Bisley are distinctively different in look and intended application. When we bring in Keith's #5 the water clears a bit but remains murky. Those of us holding pseudo #5s know that the #5 is close but not quite the same as the current Ruger Bisley.
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Post by Lee Martin on Jun 14, 2012 8:26:59 GMT -5
Seriously guys, if something works for someone and they like it, why argue? Bingo -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at a time"
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Post by whitworth on Jun 14, 2012 8:29:10 GMT -5
Grip frame preference is like the old boxer or briefs argument. There are no rights, no wrongs. Don't use this opportunity to post pictures from your underwear drawer, Axe! ;D ;D
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Post by AxeHandle on Jun 14, 2012 8:35:09 GMT -5
Hey, I've got some that belong to Fermin!
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Post by whitworth on Jun 14, 2012 8:43:35 GMT -5
Hey, I've got some that belong to Fermin! I don't really want to know why you have his underwear...... ;D ;D
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Post by AxeHandle on Jun 14, 2012 8:53:04 GMT -5
Good thing too... Cause I'm not telling! Of course Fermin, with his table manners, will chime in soon and spill the beans.. IMHO it's not going to make the interesting read that you guys are hoping it might...
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Post by CraigC on Jun 14, 2012 10:13:10 GMT -5
I agree that the Ruger Bisley is not really similar enough to the original Colt to even call it a Bisley. In fact, I also see little relation to the #5.
As a side note, the original Colt Bisley may have been intended for slow-fire, one-handed shooting but the one I had was also very comfortable with heavy loads AND two-handed shooting. Much moreso than the standard SAA grip with the .44Spl Keith load. Methinks our old pal bfrshooter/44man is postulating about a sixgun he has never even shot.
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Post by Lee Martin on Jun 14, 2012 10:48:10 GMT -5
I could care less about swaying folks on the Bisley vs. plow-handle, rubber vs. wood, what inspired the Ruger Bisley design, etc. It really comes down to preference. I will say this however. Having shot some really big handguns there comes a point where the Bisley is a must. Namely Whitworth's 50 Alaskan D-MAX. A Super Blackhawk or XR3-RED bolted up would be a disaster. With 94 ft/lbs of recoil it would roll past even the hardest of holds. Rubber grips may or may not help, but they'll definitely 'plant' much harder on your hand than wood. Either way, without a Bisley backstrap your palm, wrist, and web would be abused. Even worse the gun may end up on the ground (no joke). -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at a time"
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Post by Cucuy on Jun 14, 2012 12:29:26 GMT -5
Fair warning. I'm taking a study break...on musculoskeletal review for my upcoming exam. Ohnomrbillk, Stop slacking off with internet silliness! Origin and insertion of the cremaster muscle, now! Dr. Cucuy Dr. Cucuy, Origin is the Inguinal ligament Insertion is the Tunica vaginalis But no matter how strong my cremasters are, this board exam has me by the......things elevated by the cremaster muscles Excellent, keep up the good work and good luck!
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Post by subsonic on Jun 14, 2012 13:52:53 GMT -5
I agree that the Ruger Bisley is not really similar enough to the original Colt to even call it a Bisley. In fact, I also see little relation to the #5. As a side note, the original Colt Bisley may have been intended for slow-fire, one-handed shooting but the one I had was also very comfortable with heavy loads AND two-handed shooting. Much moreso than the standard SAA grip with the .44Spl Keith load. Methinks our old pal bfrshooter/44man is postulating about a sixgun he has never even shot. I can assure you he has fired them, but since he is not even on this forum (has been banned), why are we talking about him?
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Post by frank1 on Jun 14, 2012 14:38:37 GMT -5
Whitworth: when someone makes incorrect statements or conculsions based on a preference, it should be combated. Challenged is the better word. Besides, combat implies both sides have a free chance to go at it. But just clubbing someone over the head because you don't like their ideas teaches us nothing other than whatever someone is trying to get us to stop thinking about a topic, people then think about that topic even more. When you ban people, they become more popular.
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Post by whitworth on Jun 14, 2012 14:47:15 GMT -5
Whitworth: when someone makes incorrect statements or conculsions based on a preference, it should be combated. Challenged is the better word. Besides, combat implies both sides have a free chance to go at it. But just clubbing someone over the head because you don't like their ideas teaches us nothing other than whatever someone is trying to get us to stop thinking about a topic, people then think about that topic even more. When you ban people, they become more popular. Are we going to argue over semantics, Frank? Who is doing the clubbing, here? I posted a number of informative photographs showing the differences in the various, popular grip frames that I believe were useful to the discussion. I can assure you that the folks who have been banned from this site remain unpopular to this day. So, now that we have that out of the way, we can get back to grip frames.
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Post by Lee Martin on Jun 14, 2012 15:13:22 GMT -5
My advice Frank....bring your own ideas to the forum. Citing a bunch of Jim's theories won't get you far here. Nothing against the guy personally. In fact, Whit and I have spent many hours with him at his range. That said he's extremely rigid and turns opinions into hard and fast rules; many of which are downright wrong. And I've banned 4 or 5 people from this board. I fail to see how that bolsters their reputation. My two cents? Be known for "doing", not pissing people off on the internet and being bounced from forum after forum. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at a time"
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Post by subsonic on Jun 14, 2012 15:35:37 GMT -5
Back to grip design, I think if a Bisley grip frame was bent *slightly* so that the bottom of the grip was pulled back, it would be slightly better *for me*. When I grip a Bisley, I can feel a pressure point at the top of the hump. This area is where the majority of the recoil force is focussed. Not as bad as an N-frame smith mind you, but it's there.
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Post by shorty500 on Jun 14, 2012 15:53:51 GMT -5
have owned and shot all the discussed gripframes with one exception- Huntington's. my opinion for what it's worth- Colt SAA/Ruger XR3- ok up to 280g at 1000fps but not great for accuracy Colt Bisley= same weight/velocity parameters but accuracy is great Ruger XR3-RED = just doesnt work for me RugerSBH= pain my knuckles hate the dragoon guard RugerSBH Hunter/BFR/Abeline/Seville/ElDorado =usable but not the best for accuracy various #5's = workable but there are better choices for me FreedomArms & Ruger Bisley= No Pain. Great Control, Consisent grip which promotes accuracy and the ultimates for me in handling BIG RECOIL.
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