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Post by robl on Aug 23, 2011 18:33:59 GMT -5
After that first shot, it's the hunter's responsibility to do what he can to finish the game off as quickly as possible. EI Elmer Keith's 600 yard 44 mag shot was on a deer that his friend had wounded with his rifle and the shooting started much closer in. I have seen bull moose soak up magnum rifle bullets and stand there eating, until the drop.
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Post by subsonic on Aug 23, 2011 18:38:31 GMT -5
Nice! I've got to try some moose meat some day. Never heard anybody that tried it and didnt like it, but have never had it myself. And one more vote for this being a perfectly reasonable shot for a decent handgunner. What's the kill zone like on a moose? The size of a small coffee table?
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Post by jwp475 on Aug 23, 2011 19:09:18 GMT -5
Shooting at a dark blob at 125-150 yards away doesn't sound very smart to me. Sounds like a guy that knows what he is doing and a good shot to boot... |
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Post by paulg on Aug 23, 2011 19:39:30 GMT -5
After 15 years as a hunter safety instructor I have heard every story in the book. But the most heartbreaking stories are the ones where a kid was shot and/or killed buy a hunter that was "sure" of his target. Until you look into the eyes of a father and mother who lost their child to an "experienced hunter who is an excellent shot" and he was sure that "dark blob" or white flickering at dusk was a deer then you'll never understand what I'm talking about. As adults we are responsible for setting the bar. I'm not questioning whitworths shooting ability or the need to shoot till your empty and maybe his words were hastily chosen. I'm just asking as a father, a hunter and someone who has seen first hand the unintended consequences of a "sure thing" consider well your next shot and what's downrange. With that I'll leave this subject alone. Thanks for your consideration.
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Post by dougader on Aug 23, 2011 19:43:17 GMT -5
She weighed 629 dressed -- or rather empty! That's bigger than the steers we used to raise for meat. Like i said, that's a big bride!  |
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Post by whitworth on Aug 23, 2011 19:53:54 GMT -5
After 15 years as a hunter safety instructor I have heard every story in the book. But the most heartbreaking stories are the ones where a kid was shot and/or killed buy a hunter that was "sure" of his target. Until you look into the eyes of a father and mother who lost their child to an "experienced hunter who is an excellent shot" and he was sure that "dark blob" or white flickering at dusk was a deer then you'll never understand what I'm talking about. As adults we are responsible for setting the bar. I'm not questioning whitworths shooting ability or the need to shoot till your empty and maybe his words were hastily chosen. I'm just asking as a father, a hunter and someone who has seen first hand the unintended consequences of a "sure thing" consider well your next shot and what's downrange. With that I'll leave this subject alone. Thanks for your consideration. You also assume that I didn't know my fields of fire. We were not hunting on public land and we were the only ones there, period. In fact we sat in that same spot glassing for hours prior to the moose making an appearance. The blob indicates that I couldn't make out definition of the animal -- not that I couldn't make out the animal in the open area I shot her in. I would never have fired had I not been fully confident in the sight picture that I held. I took the initial shot and all subsequent shots were in the same direction. I am afraid that it is your hasty interpretation of my words, and not the hasty choice of words on my part that are at issue here. |
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Post by dougader on Aug 23, 2011 19:57:28 GMT -5
I appreciate your comments, Paul. I know a family at church who lost a son because someone thought he was a deer.
I was out on opening day once for blacktail deer, walking quietly though dense woods. I saw a small vine maple branch move and moved up next to a fir tree, chambered a round, and peeked around the side of the tree. I saw brown fur... but I needed antlers and a head to be sure. You'll not believe this, but there was a mushroom picker out there on opening day, wearing a brown fleece jacket!
I had my rifle at port arms, and lowered it when I saw this guy. I smiled and said, "hi" as I walked out from behind the tree. He nodded and then I added...."you do know its opening day for blacktail deer, right? You really should be wearing something other than brown during deer season. You can have my orange vest if you want it."
He just kept walking. I just thought... man, there are sure to be people out here who are not as careful as I am. That guy is nuts!
Anyway, I understand that Whitworth is an accomplished hunter and knew what he was firing at. I suppose at legal light it would be hard to mistake a huge moose like that for a human dressed in any color.
Best to all.
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Post by dougader on Aug 23, 2011 20:45:24 GMT -5
Oh, Whitworth. I have been meaning to ask, what type sight is that? I think I can make out some kind of a red dot.... and how does it work for estimating distance?
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Post by whitworth on Aug 23, 2011 20:52:26 GMT -5
Oh, Whitworth. I have been meaning to ask, what type sight is that? I think I can make out some kind of a red dot.... and how does it work for estimating distance? Doug, it's an Ultradot 30 that I have been relentlessly abusing for more than four years. It's my favorite sight for low-light situations. I keep both eyes open so that I can clearly see the animal I am shooting at. |
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Post by jwp475 on Aug 23, 2011 21:17:24 GMT -5
After 15 years as a hunter safety instructor I have heard every story in the book. But the most heartbreaking stories are the ones where a kid was shot and/or killed buy a hunter that was "sure" of his target. Until you look into the eyes of a father and mother who lost their child to an "experienced hunter who is an excellent shot" and he was sure that "dark blob" or white flickering at dusk was a deer then you'll never understand what I'm talking about. As adults we are responsible for setting the bar. I'm not questioning whitworths shooting ability or the need to shoot till your empty and maybe his words were hastily chosen. I'm just asking as a father, a hunter and someone who has seen first hand the unintended consequences of a "sure thing" consider well your next shot and what's downrange. With that I'll leave this subject alone. Thanks for your consideration. You are assuming that Whit din't know what he was shooting at and that is a false assumption |
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Post by derekr on Aug 23, 2011 23:22:40 GMT -5
I wanted to compare the moose that was given me to venison. I took a venison backstrap cut into half-inch steaks and did the same with the moose roast. I heated a cast iron skillet on the stove then added olive oil and butter. I salted & peppered the steaks and cooked them a few minutes on each side. Don't overcook! Pink in the middle at most. The moose was preferred over the venison by everyone in my family. I had heard it was good, but it was GOOD!
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Post by whitworth on Aug 24, 2011 5:47:02 GMT -5
I wanted to compare the moose that was given me to venison. I took a venison backstrap cut into half-inch steaks and did the same with the moose roast. I heated a cast iron skillet on the stove then added olive oil and butter. I salted & peppered the steaks and cooked them a few minutes on each side. Don't overcook! Pink in the middle at most. The moose was preferred over the venison by everyone in my family. I had heard it was good, but it was GOOD! Man, that made me really hungry! Sounds great! |
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Post by dmize on Aug 24, 2011 12:34:59 GMT -5
Congratulations!!!!
And on behalf of the Broccoli Lovers of America,Thank You for your selflessness in being in the woods for so long and enduring the ravages of recoil to keep our precious supply of veggies safe. =)
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Post by whitworth on Aug 24, 2011 12:53:15 GMT -5
Congratulations!!!! And on behalf of the Broccoli Lovers of America,Thank You for your selflessness in being in the woods for so long and enduring the ravages of recoil to keep our precious supply of veggies safe. =) LOL! My pleasure and honor to serve! ;D |
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Post by cottonstalk on Aug 25, 2011 18:53:24 GMT -5
Whit buddy awesome job,now get my new toy off your signature you ain't cool anymore. ;D  ;D dmize that bout made me buy a new computer,had to wipe the pepsi off the screen. I've read this post a few times and ethical is in the eye of the person at that spot and point in time.Everyones ethics are different,and so are skills and assets.Had I read this and not known whit I would still have given him the benefit of the doubt,because he is a fellow outdoorsman(usually a different breed) and fellow handgunner(another breed into itself). Knowing whit and seeing his skills first hand and hunting with him on several occasions I know his character and his ethics unquestionable.If whits ethics had been like some I've seen he would have taken a nice 350+ black bear this past season,but he holstered his cannon and never questioned the decision. Bad things happen to good folks all the time,in my opinion when bad things happen in the field it's because of ..........................well I'll keep that one to myself. |
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