robl
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Post by robl on Jul 3, 2011 20:48:45 GMT -5
hard to tell ... Mike HAD to have that badger mount!
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Post by Doc Barranti on Jul 3, 2011 21:02:07 GMT -5
But I swear! I told Dick if the mount was too big, don't bring it! I thought he was joking when he said he left his dutch ovens at home...
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Post by webber on Jul 3, 2011 21:40:51 GMT -5
I asked a simple question. That is all. Remember this is the internet. I just wondered why just one 3 shot group from a 5 or 6 shot revolver that is all that was posted. Why a 3 shot group? Aren't any one of you guys curious at times without meaning anything bad about it? I realize that shooting a 5 shot group is more difficult than a 3 and a 12 is more difficult than a 6. It has something to do with the odds. With Jimmy the Greek no longer with us to explain it I will let a sleeping dog lie. Right?
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Post by sixshot on Jul 3, 2011 22:18:31 GMT -5
Webber, thats a fair question. I've been making handgun stocks all day & have been away from the internet. Most always I shoot 5 shot groups with my sixguns but I had just mounted the red dot while sitting at the range. As I was sighting the gun in I was constantly making adjustments, just like we all do. If I'm on paper I'll shoot 3 shots before doing anything, if things look good I'll dial the scope & continue to shoot. As it worked out I was down to my last 3 shots in the gun when I got it zeroed dead on at 25 yds. Now, to answer your question, the answer is yes & no....yes the gun will most likely do it everytime & no, I probably can't. But I'll shoot a few more groups tuesday & see what happens, & they will be 5 shot groups, I could make them 10 shot groups but then you can't tell how many shots were actually fired. The true test of a good sixgun & load is when you move to long range, that being anything 200 yds & beyond. When I was doing a lot, a whole lot of rifle shooting I always shot 3 shot groups, & there's a very good reason for that. The old 3 shot rule.... 1 shot= hit 2 shots= maybe 3 shots-= miss, works everytime if you're hunting. I guess I should have taken photo's of those other 2 groups! As I was making this reply I remembered that I had one of the target backers in my truck. This was the second 3 shot group, the first one was on Brents 25 yd target, he was zeroing a new model 97 FA in 44 special. Dick
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Post by 2 Dogs on Jul 3, 2011 22:40:19 GMT -5
The question isnt so simple. The truth is some guys are "there" and dont have to look back because they know the sights were right when the trigger broke. Thus, the bullet got where it was sent. Dick Thompson is "there".
The idea that 5 or 6 shot groups are more difficult is a mental focus issue. Think about it.
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Post by tek4260 on Jul 3, 2011 22:46:42 GMT -5
How much does shooting from that rest affect POI vs handheld? I have the same rest and it makes a major difference in my POI. Enough so, that I used it once and haven't touched it since.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Jul 3, 2011 22:52:01 GMT -5
That will vary from shooter to shooter. My older brother who is a very fine shot holds completely different than me. His guns shoot low and left in my hands. I simply have a harder hold than he does.
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akray
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Post by akray on Jul 4, 2011 0:44:25 GMT -5
I'm more offended by the short pants than I am the Crocs.
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Post by sixshot on Jul 4, 2011 1:12:18 GMT -5
Tek, shooting a handgun from the bench/bags/etc, you are just rolling the dice as far as being zeroed in the field. I only shoot from a rest to see what the load & gun will do accuracy wise, then I shoot from field positions, usually sitting with my knees drawn up. Also, some guns will react different because of barrel length, or whether its scoped or not. I also practice offhand. I never expect a handgun to be zeroed after benching. I don't let the rear of the gun touch anything because it will "toe" into the bags, also the barrel is touching very lightly, I try to just barely make contact. But there's no set rules with sixguns, you have to experiment to see whats going to happen, usually if you are holding the gun wrong you will get vertical stringing.
Dick
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Post by Ken O'Neill on Jul 4, 2011 5:43:54 GMT -5
I pay particular attention to ensure that my grip tension and palm / finger placement of both hands is EXACTLY the same when I do my initial sight-in sight in from an MTM rest as it is when I shoot offhand. Like Dick, I never allow the butt of the gun to touch anything, and also allow the barrel to touch the rest or cradle as lightly as possible. With this method, I find that usually very little, if any, correction is needed when I confirm that zero with offhand shooting ... rarely if ever any more than 1 click windage or elevation difference. Of course, if I had Crocs, I could probably improve on that....
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Post by tek4260 on Jul 4, 2011 21:17:17 GMT -5
I may have to break it out again. That time I was using it, I had just soldered on a new sight and had everything reblued, ect. I decided to adjust the rear almost all the way down and file the front. Needless to say, when it was sighted in on the rest, it was about 4 inches high hand held and I had to get another sight and start over. Almost threw the junky plastic thing in the garbage right then.
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