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Post by Lee Martin on Jan 13, 2011 13:20:00 GMT -5
Coogs....I've posted this one before, but since you're new to the forum and collect Maxs I thought I'd post it again. This is Forrest Smith's personal El Dorado that I acquired a few years back (Forrest was the co-founder of United Sporting Arms and later formed El Dorado Arms). He built it in 1983 when they were still out of Hauppauge, NY. It's unique because he used a standard length El Dorado by milling the frame window. The cylinder is shorter than the Seville Maximum, but close to the Ruger version (~1.95").  He never intended to offer it as a production model and only built one for himself. -Lee www.singleactions.com |
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Post by Lee Martin on Jan 13, 2011 13:31:17 GMT -5
I had heard the original Supermag brass & later Maximum brass was slightly different. Was this true? Perhaps nothing more than a slight length discrepency? Elgin's original 357 SuperMag was 1.610" long. The Remington Max is 1.605". The SuperMag also was designed for 0.125" more OAL. Since the first Sevilles were "SuperMags", and even marked as such, Sig went with a longer cylinder. -Lee www.singleactions.com |
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Post by Ken O'Neill on Jan 13, 2011 20:32:11 GMT -5
coogs,
David Bradshaw lived in Vermont, but I don't have any other contact information.
agrizz,
Rick Jamison actually did the first assassination of the .357 Maximum in print, in an issue of Shooting Times. Those of us who were silhouette shooters were generally astounded when he gave complete credit to Remington for the development, and then proceeded to shoot 125 grain bullets as fast as he could, showing the bullet disintegration . Those in the know were well aware of Elgin's developmental work, and the fact that the intended bullet weight was 180-200 grains. Remington's introductory ammo was 158 gr., however.
Elgin was openly critical of Ruger's short cylinder as opposed to the DW and USA cylinders.
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Post by coogs on Jan 15, 2011 13:48:30 GMT -5
I knew Bradshaw was involved there, my understanding as a "go between" between Ruger, Gates and Remington. All the time advising Ruger as to heavier bullets longer cylinder etc. etc. But, as we know it turned out, WBR went his own way. I know Milek was a big downer on the Ruger Max. He is quoted about telling WBR to drop the Max in "Ruger and His Guns" I got a lot more info, as well as a surprise or two...................little bits at a time, Coogs.
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Post by carl on Jan 16, 2011 8:44:18 GMT -5
 One of Ruger's solutions...... a Hawkeye chambered in .357 max. The shooter holding the gun is Bradshaw. Carl |
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Post by aciera on Jan 16, 2011 9:40:01 GMT -5
One of Ruger's solutions...... a Hawkeye chambered in .357 max. The shooter holding the gun is Bradshaw. Carl . Now THAT is food for thought.......... . . And how did the ejector work? Something to catch the rim? |
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Post by coogs on Jan 16, 2011 11:05:08 GMT -5
Seen that pic. I do know that Bradshaw had Max Serial #18, had alot of different barrels put on it At the Factory, twist, length, forcing cone etc. etc. I do know it also came up missing. Anybody out there got it? Or this Hawkeye?  Believe me I'm very interested in hearing about it and possibly having it if they would be available, Coogs. |
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Post by coogs on Jan 18, 2011 18:08:13 GMT -5
I'll bump this back up there! If ya need to, get me a PM! Thanks for lookin', Coogs.
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Post by carl on Jan 19, 2011 6:00:28 GMT -5
The Ruger Hawkeye was designed to fire the .256 Win Mag cartridge which is a necked down .357 mag. Yup, the ejector is designed to grab the case's rim.
Coogs,
I would assume Bradshaw's Hawkeye went back to Southport.....
Carl
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Post by coogs on Jan 21, 2011 7:23:59 GMT -5
Either that or it eneded up in NY! Jimmy Dillon, of long ago Flattop fame, he did own the 15" .44 FT for quite a while, started playing with Hawkeyes and chambering them in .30 Herret. Saw and handeled a couple of them. A little scary was the fact that the breach block of the Hawkeye did not cove up all of the rim of that Herret case!
So, I'm still lookin' out there. Anybody, trade in, buyback? Help? Coogs.
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Post by hyvltge on Jan 21, 2011 10:07:01 GMT -5
Coogs, why don't you post some of those pics you have teased us with references to?
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Post by greygt on Jan 21, 2011 10:33:59 GMT -5
Coogs, why don't you post some of those pics you have teased us with references to? I 2nd that. ;D |
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Post by coogs on Jan 21, 2011 12:31:15 GMT -5
I'll get to it this weekend. As far as the .30 Herret Hawkeye I don't think I have a pic of that, Coogs.
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Post by coogs on Jan 23, 2011 21:58:11 GMT -5
STILLLERS JUST WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry, got way too caught up in that game!!!!! Stillllllers won! I'll get some info about that Seville I've been talking about. Pic's may have to wait, my camera just toook a poop here, figures! Tomorrow is another day, Coogs.
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Post by Ken O'Neill on Jan 24, 2011 8:43:03 GMT -5
STILLLERS JUST WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry, got way too caught up in that game!!!!! Stillllllers won! I'll get some info about that Seville I've been talking about. Pic's may have to wait, my camera just toook a poop here, figures! Tomorrow is another day, Coogs. It made me feel all warm and fuzzy, too ... I guess with you, me, and probably Lee, that makes 3 of us! |
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Believe me I'm very interested in hearing about it and possibly having it if they would be available, Coogs.