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Post by taffin on Apr 6, 2011 9:51:30 GMT -5
WOE IS ME! WOE IS ME! WHERE WERE YOU WHEN I NEEDED YOU?? I BOUGHT USFAs FOR MYSELF, MY WIFE, THE KIDS AND GRANDKIDS. NOW I'M STUCK WITH A BUNCH OF SIXGUNS THAT ARE BEAUTIFULLY FINISHED, TIGHTLY FITTED, WELL-TIMED, AND VERY ACCURATE. MAYBE I CAN FIND SOME UNSUSPECTING NEOPHYTE TO DROP THEM ON. WOE IS ME OH WOE IS ME! OK, sir, I'll take 'em! Understand, this is just as a favor to you so that future generations are not stuck with these "inferior" sixguns........ YOU ARE A FRIEND INDEED! WATCH FOR THE BIG BROWN TRUCK. I THINK I'LL INCLUDE THE 1910 AND 1911 USFAs BEFORE I HEAR THE BAD NEWS ABOUT THEM.
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Post by jplower on Apr 6, 2011 10:04:23 GMT -5
They may be great shooters and look wonderful, but they still are not Colts. It's unfortunate that Colt has not seen daylight in some of the features the USFAs have, such as tighter chamber mouth diameters and the really flat frame polish, but their case color is superior, it doesn't need varnish to protect it like the USFs. My USF had the blue flake off like plating once when it stuck to the gun rug, and the varanish rubbed off and took color with it. I think it's like driving a new car off the lot, they depreciate after the first round. Now, if ever they were able to get Colt stamped on the parts, things would be different. Too bad Colt must deal with the union up there, they have sub optomized that company for years. Donnely has that disadvantage beat at least, plus practically unlimited personal funds for his hobby business. But for shooters, even though they are not quite authentic and expensive, why not? Donnely needs to correct 12 points on the guns in order to make them outstanding, but......he can't see them. So, he has the same problem Colt has, but not because of a union.
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Post by Boge Quinn on Apr 6, 2011 10:14:55 GMT -5
YOU ARE A FRIEND INDEED! WATCH FOR THE BIG BROWN TRUCK. I THINK I'LL INCLUDE THE 1910 AND 1911 USFAs BEFORE I HEAR THE BAD NEWS ABOUT THEM. I'm happy to be of service, sir!
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Post by taffin on Apr 6, 2011 11:32:08 GMT -5
They may be great shooters and look wonderful, but they still are not Colts. WHO SAID THEY WERE? It's unfortunate that Colt has not seen daylight in some of the features the USFAs have, such as tighter chamber mouth diameters and the really flat frame polish, I THOUGHT COLT WAS SUPERIOR? My USF had the blue flake off like plating once when it stuck to the gun rug, and the varanish rubbed off and took color with it. SO WHAT WAS THE FOREIGN SUBSTANCE IN YOUR GUN RUG THAT CAUSED THIS? IT WASN'T THE GUN I think it's like driving a new car off the lot, they depreciate after the first round. SO THIS ONLY HAPPENS TO USFA GUNS? Now, if ever they were able to get Colt stamped on the parts, things would be different. HOW DOES STAMPING "COLT" ON THE PARTS CHANGE ANYTHING? Donnely needs to correct 12 points on the guns in order to make them outstanding, NAME THEM IT IS UNFORTUNATE IN THAT YOU HAVE A GRAND TOTAL OF THREE POSTS ON THIS SITE AND YOU CHOOSE TO USE THEM TO TRASH GUN COMPANIES. I HAVE COLTS DATING FROM 1881 TO 2010. I DON'T SEE ANY NEED TO TRASH THEM OR USFA. TAKE A FEW ASPIRINS AND GO TO BED UNTIL YOU FEEL BETTER.
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Post by mikied on Apr 6, 2011 11:35:53 GMT -5
That seems like kind of a smart-aleck post there, Taffin. Looks like the guy was just stating an opinion.
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Post by taffin on Apr 6, 2011 11:38:51 GMT -5
IT IS CALLED SATIRE. NOW HE HAS A CHANCE TO BACK UP HIS OPINION WITH FACTS.
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Post by CraigC on Apr 6, 2011 11:42:53 GMT -5
It is a crying shame that some folks need to see "Colt's" stamped on a fine sixgun to be able to enjoy it.
USFA's are not clear coated because they alone "need" it. All case colors fade with time and exposure to sunlight and Colt is no exception. USFA's are clear coated so that they will stay vivid and bright longer. Not because they are any more or less fragile than Colt's dull colors.
Bluing is a surface treatment. It does not "flake" like a plating. Sorry you had an issue with your, for whatever reason but I assure you, this is not the place to grind that axe.
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Post by mikied on Apr 6, 2011 11:48:08 GMT -5
Is the caps lock stuck on your keyboard, Taffin? I have read your articles for years, and own two of your books. I have always enjoyed reading your writings and mostly agree with your values. However, I just thought the 'Woe is me' post was a little much. And I do know what constitutes satire.
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Post by Boge Quinn on Apr 6, 2011 11:55:17 GMT -5
That seems like kind of a smart-aleck post there, Taffin. Looks like the guy was just stating an opinion. Maybe so, but Taffin is right on all counts as far as I'm concerned. Although I can't claim Taffin's level of expertise (but I am working on it, so if I'm blessed to attain Taffin's years maybe I'll know half as much as he's forgotten), I have been blessed with a goodly number of Colt and USFA sixguns, and I consider the USFA to be every bit the equal of the Colt. I do appreciate Colt's more muted case colors, but truthfully I like USFA's more vibrant colors better. As Taffin said, their finish, fit, timing, beauty and accuracy are wonderful. I never store guns in rugs of any kind because I don't know what chemicals are in there - but I do own a Colt New Frontier that was stored in a rug long-term by its previous owner, and it did the same thing. It's the ugliest sixgun I own, but it's a great shooter and I got it CHEAP so no complaints - but I consider this sort of thing the fault of the owner, not the maker. Is the caps lock stuck on your keyboard, Taffin? Lighten up, Francis. (this was largely in response to the "I used to like you" part of your original message, which I am pleased to see you edited out)
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Post by mikied on Apr 6, 2011 11:57:43 GMT -5
Boge, I know what you are saying, but you can be right, and still be respectful of the opinions of others. Reading John's 'Campfire Tales' for years, I was just a bit surprised at his sarcasm. But, you guys are probably right. You are the experts, after all.
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Post by CraigC on Apr 6, 2011 12:01:26 GMT -5
IMHO, first impressions are everything and jplower's inflammatory post received a better response than it deserved.
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Post by mikied on Apr 6, 2011 12:04:46 GMT -5
Craig - You might be right, as I re-read the post. But he is an almost first-time poster. I think some slack might have been appropriate from a veteran to a noob. But what do I know? Not much, according to some, LOL>
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Post by CraigC on Apr 6, 2011 12:12:12 GMT -5
Slack? We usually consider those who resurrect a 3month old thread with an inflammatory post to be trolls and deal with them appropriately.
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Post by mikied on Apr 6, 2011 12:16:56 GMT -5
I was not aware it was a three month old post. Just didn't notice I guess. Apparently, you guys know more about the situation than I.
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Post by jplower on Apr 6, 2011 12:44:36 GMT -5
First, thank all of you who have come to my corner. On the blue, another friend of mine warped his gun in plastic wrap with some oil for storage during a vacation. When he returned and removed it, the blue came off on all the edges in flakes. If you like the case colors, you might be surprised to find that not all of these are actually color hard. You can take a screwdriver and gouge the metal on the inside of the hammer slot. I think the early gun were like this because Turnbull was afraid to get them hot enough to harden (his quote to me), and was afraid of warpage, but Donnely demanded hardness of late and I believe current production is now surface hard, but the color is still fragile, hence the varnish. It also makes his color stand out more. May I add that my aim here is to provide some observed facts about Colts and clones. USFs are clones, period. Colts ARE superior in spite of my notations because from a material standpoint, their requirements are stricter. Up until a few months ago, all USF cylinders were still Italian blanks milled here in ithe states with the other parts, and were 35 thousands oversize. You cound not put one in a colt frame, just like Uberties. Doug has corrected that, but I don't know if the imports have stopped. I was told through the manufacturing grapefine that the raw parts come from overseas, they're just milled to spec here. Straps and guards have a different shape and don't interchange will with Colts, plus the screw heads are smaller. We tried using them for a rebuild but found they were too hard to modify and gave up on them. As I said, Doug has about 12 items to work on. Personally, I hope the import information is wrong, as we need the steel purchase to come from the US. I do know that Colt imported all their blackpowder series parts from Italy. I saw them stacked up on Ubertie's dock 20 years ago. The crates were marked, Colt Firearms, USA. I'm sure Donnely would take advantage of the cheaper and redially available blanks if he could. I'm not here to trash, but to inform. Not all that glitters is gold you know.
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