dmize
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Post by dmize on Sept 19, 2024 22:27:17 GMT -5
Has anyone used one of these with .410?
I want to kill a turkey using a handgun but I cannot justify buying a 410/45 Contender barrel and then sending it off to get modified and ending up with more invested than a good 1100.
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Post by squigz on Sept 20, 2024 6:46:43 GMT -5
Has anyone used one of these with .410? I want to kill a turkey using a handgun but I cannot justify buying a 410/45 Contender barrel and then sending it off to get modified and ending up with more invested than a good 1100. I do not have a brawler, I do have a Judge with a 6" barrel that I intended for the same purpose. I can say, ethically I cannot attempt this action after working on patterning the gun at several ranges with turkey loads. Accuracy is literally not there at all, even at 7 yards. I would rather try to slap a turkey physically across the beak before I would wound one with these 410 pistols. |
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Post by lar4570 on Sept 22, 2024 6:31:21 GMT -5
I bought a Brawler when they first came out, but have only shot 45Colt through it so far. It's not too bad as is, but I really wish they would offer one in 45Colt only without the long chamber for 410.   |
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Post by needsmostuff on Sept 22, 2024 9:29:49 GMT -5
I will no longer give a second thought to ANY 45/410 combo barreled platform.
Tried it 3 times with 3 different platforms and none lived up to any reasonable expectations.
Close up self-defense sure but never going to be an ethical hunting gun.
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dmize
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Post by dmize on Sept 22, 2024 13:56:11 GMT -5
I will no longer give a second thought to ANY 45/410 combo barreled platform. Tried it 3 times with 3 different platforms and none lived up to any reasonable expectations. Close up self-defense sure but never going to be an ethical hunting gun. There is a guy in Georgia,I think his name is Schults that works over a Contender 410/45 barrel. Not sure what he does but I am guessing straight rifling and I think choke tubes. Have read of spectacular success using TSS #9. Bottom line its like a $300 operation on a $300 barrel. And $10 a pop shells Thats an expensive turkey. |
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Post by lar4570 on Sept 22, 2024 14:48:07 GMT -5
Many years ago I read an article by Seyfried about a Paradox revolver that Bowen built for him.
I think they started with a Ruger Maximum, made long 45 brass and chambers, 45 cal barrel with most of the rifling bored out smooth except for a section at the end of the barrel.
They experimented with different lengths of rifling left to act as a choke for shot loads and still be able to stabilize a bullet...
I don't remember all the details, but I think Ross was able to shoot hand thrown clays with the revolver with shot loads and was still able to get reasonable accuracy with the 45 Maximum case and a bullet.
Anybody remember more of the details?
I wonder if Rossi would sell replacement barrels for the Brawler? Then you could get a reamer and clean out most of the rifleing leaving 2" at the end?
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Post by ridenshoot on Sept 22, 2024 16:02:01 GMT -5
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Post by pacecars on Sept 22, 2024 20:02:06 GMT -5
I will no longer give a second thought to ANY 45/410 combo barreled platform. Tried it 3 times with 3 different platforms and none lived up to any reasonable expectations. Close up self-defense sure but never going to be an ethical hunting gun. There is a guy in Georgia,I think his name is Schults that works over a Contender 410/45 barrel. Not sure what he does but I am guessing straight rifling and I think choke tubes. Have read of spectacular success using TSS #9. Bottom line its like a $300 operation on a $300 barrel. And $10 a pop shells Thats an expensive turkey. Schultz did my 16” Contender barrel and with 9.5 TSS it patterns good enough for a 50 yard shot in a Turkey. I have not tried regular lead shot and I have not shot any .45 Colt out of it since the conversion. I might try it on squirrels and quail to see how lead does. To me, at least, it was worth it to have the conversion. |
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Post by squigz on Sept 23, 2024 6:36:19 GMT -5
There is a guy in Georgia,I think his name is Schults that works over a Contender 410/45 barrel. Not sure what he does but I am guessing straight rifling and I think choke tubes. Have read of spectacular success using TSS #9. Bottom line its like a $300 operation on a $300 barrel. And $10 a pop shells Thats an expensive turkey. Schultz did my 16” Contender barrel and with 9.5 TSS it patterns good enough for a 50 yard shot in a Turkey. I have not tried regular lead shot and I have not shot any .45 Colt out of it since the conversion. I might try it on squirrels and quail to see how lead does. To me, at least, it was worth it to have the conversion. Wouldn't happen to be Mitch Schultz of Gunsmithing LTD would it? I'm reading things that he's retiring so that's not even an option now if that's the case sadly. I wonder what his process was to improve the accuracy. |
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Post by pacecars on Sept 23, 2024 9:06:04 GMT -5
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Post by lar4570 on Sept 23, 2024 10:44:50 GMT -5
Thanks for the link. Man, I misremembered most of the details  Looks like it started as a 44, not a 45. It was a standard length frame, not a Maximum. Atleast I got the Ruger part correct... |
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Post by lar4570 on Sept 24, 2024 16:18:20 GMT -5
Sorry for drifting this thread even farther.
"It is a great day at Rossi USA. My name is Keshia, and I would be happy to assist you with your inquiry. Thank you for your interest in our products. We do not have replacement barrel avaivle for purchase for the Brawler. "
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Post by lar4570 on Sept 25, 2024 15:13:10 GMT -5
Drifting further, I appoligise.
I replied back to Keshia at Rossi and asked if there was anyway to forward a request/suggestion to the people in marketing asking for a Brawler in just 45Colt with a modern twist rate 1:16" or 1:20" ish please.
She said that she forwarded the request up.
Who knows if it will make any difference at all.
remember the old Rexico 45/410 single shot pistols? I think they were like $125-150ish? I tried some slightly warm loads in mine and the soft rubber forearm would fly off under recoil. The screw holding the forearm on had a tapered bottom. This with the soft rubber didn't help things at all.
The chamber was cut to 1.4" deep for the 45Colt section, so it would easily chamber a 454. The chamber was cut very rough so brass extraction wasn't very smooth.
I found a contact email for them and pointed all this out. I suggested a harder rubber forend and a flat bottomed screw to try and hold it in place. About a year later they had some new ones on the market. I bought one to compare. The forend was harder with a flat bottom screw hole. The chamber was much smoother, but still cut to 1.4" long... Accuracy was reasonable, but nothing wonderful. I searched around and found a scope mount they made for them, but the quality was very poor.
Who knows, maybe Rossi will think about it. It's not like I really need another cheap pistol, but I'd buy one just to play with if it was in 45Colt only.
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Post by Lee Martin on Sept 26, 2024 12:14:18 GMT -5
Ah, the Rexico .45 Colt/.410, known as the Super Comanche. As I recall the frames were made of ZAMAC. You're right...the quality was below poor. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Chasing perfection five shots at a time" |
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Post by Encore64 on Sept 29, 2024 6:00:21 GMT -5
The Rossi Brawler is at it's best as a snake gun.
I've got a couple ponds on my place and snakes are a problem.
Another one lost yesterday as he tried to snag lunch yesterday as I fed day old bread to my fish.
I thought it might be too far away, but the pattern held together well and the fish stealer rolled belly up.
My son is getting a Brawler for Christmas...
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