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Post by the priest on Jun 9, 2009 18:26:32 GMT -5
after i read those last few thoughts I had one of my own,......it's amazing at this point in the 'global economy of today' that some manufacturer hasn't taken a good design, excellent steel, and a few bucks to China to get the competitive advantage on cost and a really good firearm. Even if the final finishing was done here.
of course that's probably a different thread,....with the same old arguement being 'Buy American or save $$$$'.
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Post by Frank V on Jun 9, 2009 19:38:59 GMT -5
Lee, when you get a chance to shoot it let us know how it does. Thanks. Frank
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Post by Lee Martin on Jun 10, 2009 7:58:10 GMT -5
Lee, when you get a chance to shoot it let us know how it does. Thanks. Frank Frank....I had it out last weekend and shot 250 grain Keiths and 5.0 of Green Dot (very mild load). Was dead on at 30 yards which surprised me. Figured the heavier bullet at reduced speed would hit low. I'm going to shoot some 205s this weekend. I'll keep you posted. -Lee www.singleactions.com
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Post by nobearsyet on Jun 10, 2009 11:37:29 GMT -5
I don't know I have a bunch (I lost count at 4000) of rounds through mine and have never had a problem, the only things I've done t oit are pouring a green ramp in the front sight, coloring the rear blac kwit ha Sharpie marker (that needs redone every couple of weeks) and had the trigger worked, and I've never had a problem.
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Post by Frank V on Jun 10, 2009 12:03:37 GMT -5
Thanks Lee I'm betting you'll find just the right load. Frank
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Post by nobearsyet on Jun 10, 2009 12:14:59 GMT -5
Might want ot try some Keith loads in it, mine survives them and doesn't seem to mind
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Post by Lee Martin on Jun 10, 2009 15:02:12 GMT -5
What Keith loads are you referring to? I wouldn't push any of his heavy 2400 loads through a Charter Arms. -Lee www.singleactions.com
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Post by nobearsyet on Jun 10, 2009 17:37:01 GMT -5
It'll take them, mine does
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Post by Lee Martin on Jun 11, 2009 10:13:32 GMT -5
I'll ask again....what loads are you referring to? 16 - 17 of 2400 under a 250 grain Keith ISN'T safe in a Charter Arms....period. Just because your gun takes it doesn't mean it's safe. I like open discussion on these forums, but I don't want to propagate unsafe loading practices. -Lee www.singleactions.com
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Post by nobearsyet on Jun 11, 2009 11:56:03 GMT -5
I'm actually loading 15grns as 16 liked to stick in the cylinder, 15 seems fine, I have had no problems at all wit hthe load, but as Jack O'connr once said in a Speer Reloading manual, " What causes excessive pressure in one gun may not cause excessive pressure in another" (that wasn't verbatum) and I think everyone here knows that
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Post by Lee Martin on Jun 11, 2009 12:15:31 GMT -5
Well, it's your gun.....shoot whatever you like. I just don't want other members to think Charters Arms are suited for Keith loads. There's a reason why Buffalo Bore flags all of their heavy 44 Special with "DO NOT USE IN CHARTER ARMS". That plus I know of someone who had one let go shooting Keith loads. -Lee www.singleactions.com
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Post by Frank V on Jun 11, 2009 14:05:11 GMT -5
I too will not use the heavier loads in anything but an N frame! I just don't want to risk a gun or my hands/ eyes. I am using them even less & less in the N frame .44 Specials, I feel that's what magnums are for. Frank
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Post by nobearsyet on Jun 26, 2009 11:28:30 GMT -5
I think there have been a number of good guns made that people haven't really realized their potential, the Charter revolvers not withstanding as there a lot of people around here that call them cheap junk, but some good examples are the Seville and El Dorado (for those that haven't read LEE's articles), the Taurus 85 (better gun than a lot of people give them credit for), the Llama 1911 clones, etc. but I guess it just comes down to what you're willing to do with them, and what they were designed to do.
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Post by Frank V on Jun 26, 2009 22:43:19 GMT -5
Well, I won't call the Charter junk But as for strength I don't think they are as strong as a "N" frame, but they weren't meant to be. They were meant to be a less expensive carry gun that's strong enough & at that I think they have made it. Being a 5 shot the locking cuts fall between the chambers where there is more strength, but I still don't think they were meant for Keith type loads. Frank
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Post by papa on Jun 28, 2009 20:39:09 GMT -5
Ooooh Lee, I bet that thing would sure look purty with some Holly grips shaped like the pachmayrs.
I've got four of the older ones,
22 Mag Pathfinder 3" 32 Mag Police Bulldog 4" 38 Undercover 2" 44 Bulldog 4" target
and I've never had a problem with any of them.
btw, can anyone recommend a 250 Keith bullet @900fps load that would be safe pressure wise? I usually shoot 200 grain bullets @ 850 to 900 fps, but would like to try some 250's.
Papa
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