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Post by CraigC on Apr 26, 2024 11:01:42 GMT -5
I've got the Howell drop in for my Rogers & Spencer. Works great but really needs a taller front sight.
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Post by armoredman on Apr 26, 2024 15:27:18 GMT -5
She shoots high, that's for certain, but once I figured out the hold for 11 yards I got this. The cylinder worked perfectly with smokeless, and OK with black. I think I used the wrong bullet for black, so it worked poorly, but I am quite happy with the smokeless load ones. BTW, this is what a Howell loaded with black powder 45 Colt looks like while firing.
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Post by revolvercranker on Apr 26, 2024 15:36:37 GMT -5
Kind of remind me of the big cannons on Naval battleships!! LOL You know they used a ignitor/starterbag of black powder in those sixteen inchers.
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Post by armoredman on Apr 26, 2024 19:58:19 GMT -5
Yes, it was a black powder primer bag, fired by a 30-06 primer, to we could fire 2900Lb shell with 1900Lbs of explosive in them approximately 26 miles out of those 16"50 caliber rifles. I rearmed the USS New Jersey at sea in 1988, absolutely NOTHING compares to a battlewagon at sea.
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Post by revolvercranker on Apr 26, 2024 21:09:54 GMT -5
Yes, it was a black powder primer bag, fired by a 30-06 primer, to we could fire 2900Lb shell with 1900Lbs of explosive in them approximately 26 miles out of those 16"50 caliber rifles. I rearmed the USS New Jersey at sea in 1988, absolutely NOTHING compares to a battlewagon at sea. Now that's absolutley cool. I looked up the specs on those big 16 inchers and amazed that the twist was 1 in 26 inches there abouts. When I was in the Navy I saw a new barrel for the New Jersey setting the piers, brand new. Wow! what a big long pipe!!! Hey thank you for your service.
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Post by armoredman on Apr 30, 2024 17:19:06 GMT -5
She could drop one shell in a football field at 26 miles, better accuracy than most hunting rifles. They were the best of the big guns, absolutely. You're welcome and thanks to you as well, but I did nothing special, just happened to be in the right place at the right time to help sink 3/4 of the Iranian Navy in 1988. GOOD day. Very GOOD day.
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Post by sharps4590 on Apr 30, 2024 19:34:45 GMT -5
I have Goex 3F and Olde Eynsford 3F as well as home made 3F and 2F - have a new jug of 2F made with toilet paper, should be interesting. Only "substitute" I have is Pyrodex "R" that I bought when everyone was out of everything, have never even cracked open the bottle. What's the story on the Ffg made with TP? Is that home made as well and TP was the carbon source? Didn't see there was a page 2 until I posted. Being from Missouri and the surrender of Japan after WWII taking place on the USS Missouri, I read quite a bit about the Iowa class battle wagons but, to have been on one......incomparable. What an experience that must have been.
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Post by armoredman on Apr 30, 2024 21:52:13 GMT -5
The TP made BP is from a friend of mine - I need to get a ball mill to get back into making black powder. He read that using toilet paper for the charcoal source was apparently incredible, so he made some for me to try out. The charcoal is, of course, very even and uniform considering the source, I would say. I usually use wood chip charcoal, not quite so even and uniform. There is nothing to compare to a battleship at sea. A carrier is a floating city, a moving airport. The Frigates, Cruisers and Destroyers are nimble little ships that can do a whole lot of things...but a battleship? It looks at you and simply says "I am here to kill people and break things". A veritable steel shark above the waves.
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Post by revolvercranker on Apr 30, 2024 22:12:28 GMT -5
The TP made BP is from a friend of mine - I need to get a ball mill to get back into making black powder. He read that using toilet paper for the charcoal source was apparently incredible, so he made some for me to try out. The charcoal is, of course, very even and uniform considering the source, I would say. I usually use wood chip charcoal, not quite so even and uniform. There is nothing to compare to a battleship at sea. A carrier is a floating city, a moving airport. The Frigates, Cruisers and Destroyers are nimble little ships that can do a whole lot of things...but a battleship? It looks at you and simply says "I am here to kill people and break things". A veritable steel shark above the waves. Armoredman that is true about the battleship, but when the Japanese brought their big bad Yamato to Midway it basically got it's ass kicked by Destroyers. Couple reasons, one the Destroyers are fast and they got in close fast so the Yamato couldn't couldn't deflect those big 18 inchers low enough to hit them, but there was an incident where one of the 18 inchers did connect, but the Destroyer are so ligthly armored that the shell passed through it without detonating. Then with their five inches mounts they peppered the bridge pretty bad on the Yamato. Ended up she turned tail and got the hell out of there. The Destroyers saved the day! Those tincans have five inch cannons, 3 inch antiaircrafte guns, 40 mm'ers and 50 calibers. They can really sting you. Oh yeah they have torpedoes too!
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Post by armoredman on May 1, 2024 5:38:14 GMT -5
The Yamato was sunk by air power due to her inaccurate and exposed anti aircraft batteries and the fact she had zero air cover. She took twelve bomb hits and possibly seven torpedoes that capsized her, and she blew up, upside down, before she sank. This was years after the critical turning point of the war at Midway, as she sank on April 7th, 1945. During Midway she was the fleet flagship, but was too far away from the rest of the fleet to engage. After that she was struck by torpedoes from the American submarine USS Skate but survived. She took several bomb hits during her short career that damaged but did not sink her. I've never heard the one about a shell passing through a destroyer, but it is very true that the tin can sailors attacked her so ferociously that Admiral Kurita was positive he was under attack by a much larger American fleet. The lightly armed destroyers were fearless, reminding me of the USS Samuel B Roberts, "the destroyer escort that fought like a battleship.". Now you may be thinking of her sister ship, the Musashi, but she was also sunk by air power earlier. It was truly the aircraft that spelled the end of the battlewagon, as the British learned to their great dismay when battleship HMS Repulse and battlecruiser HMS Prince of Wales went in naked and were sunk by Japanese aircraft.
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Post by armoredman on May 9, 2024 22:42:40 GMT -5
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Post by aciera on May 10, 2024 1:20:40 GMT -5
The TP made BP is from a friend of mine - I need to get a ball mill to get back into making black powder. He read that using toilet paper for the charcoal source was apparently incredible, so he made some for me to try out. The charcoal is, of course, very even and uniform considering the source, I would say. I usually use wood chip charcoal, not quite so even and uniform. There is nothing to compare to a battleship at sea. A carrier is a floating city, a moving airport. The Frigates, Cruisers and Destroyers are nimble little ships that can do a whole lot of things...but a battleship? It looks at you and simply says "I am here to kill people and break things". A veritable steel shark above the waves. Armoredman that is true about the battleship, but when the Japanese brought their big bad Yamato to Midway it basically got it's ass kicked by Destroyers. Couple reasons, one the Destroyers are fast and they got in close fast so the Yamato couldn't couldn't deflect those big 18 inchers low enough to hit them, but there was an incident where one of the 18 inchers did connect, but the Destroyer are so ligthly armored that the shell passed through it without detonating. Then with their five inches mounts they peppered the bridge pretty bad on the Yamato. Ended up she turned tail and got the hell out of there. The Destroyers saved the day! Those tincans have five inch cannons, 3 inch antiaircrafte guns, 40 mm'ers and 50 calibers. They can really sting you. Oh yeah they have torpedoes too! You are thinking of Task Force Taffy 3………incredible….choke you up. The entire American force weighed less than the Yamato…….and the he Yamato left the field…….. “Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors”……if you don’t get choked up……you are not American…….
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Post by revolvercranker on May 10, 2024 9:08:41 GMT -5
Armoredman that is true about the battleship, but when the Japanese brought their big bad Yamato to Midway it basically got it's ass kicked by Destroyers. Couple reasons, one the Destroyers are fast and they got in close fast so the Yamato couldn't couldn't deflect those big 18 inchers low enough to hit them, but there was an incident where one of the 18 inchers did connect, but the Destroyer are so ligthly armored that the shell passed through it without detonating. Then with their five inches mounts they peppered the bridge pretty bad on the Yamato. Ended up she turned tail and got the hell out of there. The Destroyers saved the day! Those tincans have five inch cannons, 3 inch antiaircrafte guns, 40 mm'ers and 50 calibers. They can really sting you. Oh yeah they have torpedoes too! You are thinking of Task Force Taffy 3………incredible….choke you up. The entire American force weighed less than the Yamato…….and the he Yamato left the field…….. “Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors”……if you don’t get choked up……you are not American……. Amen brother. Did you know that the Yamato's 18 cannon's were so constructed that they could not be relined when worn, that the entire barrel had to be replaced?
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Post by aciera on May 10, 2024 11:21:02 GMT -5
You are thinking of Task Force Taffy 3………incredible….choke you up. The entire American force weighed less than the Yamato…….and the he Yamato left the field…….. “Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors”……if you don’t get choked up……you are not American……. Amen brother. Did you know that the Yamato's 18 cannon's were so constructed that they could not be relined when worn, that the entire barrel had to be replaced? No I did not!!!!! And in a family of artillery men…..and a machinist that nerds over the table that showed in days how long it takes to do each op to make a 16 inch tube…….i have to tell my brother. It takes longer to build a tube than to build the rest of the battlewagon…….. The there is the story of the Monitor and the Merrimack and the proof of the Monitor’s 15” guns……
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Post by revolvercranker on May 10, 2024 11:54:01 GMT -5
Amen brother. Did you know that the Yamato's 18 cannon's were so constructed that they could not be relined when worn, that the entire barrel had to be replaced? No I did not!!!!! And in a family of artillery men…..and a machinist that nerds over the table that showed in days how long it takes to do each op to make a 16 inch tube…….i have to tell my brother. It takes longer to build a tube than to build the rest of the battlewagon…….. The there is the story of the Monitor and the Merrimack and the proof of the Monitor’s 15” guns…… My favorite Civil War "boat" what the Confederate submarine the Hunley. I had read that not all her crew were Confederate Southerners, that some were Yankees and some foreigner. They are still researching her today.
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