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Post by cas on Nov 3, 2023 18:48:09 GMT -5
Turn your shooting hand thumb down! It doesn't help, in fact it makes it worse. Just makes more of a "point" of my knuckle to hit. (beside being uncomfortable and making me shoot poorly) My right thumb is NOT wrapped over my left hand. That's one thing I've always laughed at when people tell you to do that shooting a semi auto. ("Humping dogs") I would ask, "Then how do you shoot one handed? With your thumb floating out in space? I guess they don't shoot one hand.d I have no issues shooting my S&Ws with the same grip, however. Your grip in the photo looks weak, it looks like very little grip tension is taking place, perhaps that is normal for shooting a revo at speed, I don’t know. But allowing that much gun movement in recoil without better control in my opinion is what causes your bleeding. That's a matter or opinion/style I'd say. There's some that preach/teach moderate shooting hand grip , and tight support hand. Some just the opposite. My grip is anything but light/weak. IIRC that picture is post shot, pre-reload. And when I reloaded, the cylinder fell out of my gun.  There used to be video of it, but I don't know if it still exists. I think that was early on in my revolver USPSA days and I was still shooting X-Frame grips. I think I only shot them one or two years before going to Nils. As for my off hand thumb, that's just .45 ACP, it doesn't burn me, though I do (did) end up with a blacked thumb. I don't usually shoot with it that low or far forward, that's just a byproduct of the activity, shooting and reloading fast and frequently. Faster and smoother the closer I was to the front of the ejector rod. There were times where it would end up touching the front part of the frame, ahead of the cylinder. (that wasn't a good grip and the result of a sloppy reload) |
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Post by cas on Nov 3, 2023 19:10:15 GMT -5
LOL Now you have me looking for other photos of me shooting. No revolvers though, just semi autos. The only thing I learned is there's a REALLY weird hole in my elbow. lmao   And I have Popeye forearms. (Now I wish I had pictures of them back when I actually used to DO something, you know, actual work.) The top photos shows yeah I guess my hands are kinda big. Web of my hand is way above the beavertail, yet below the large Dawson ICE magwell. |
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Post by gnappi on Nov 3, 2023 19:32:06 GMT -5
Not freakishly large, but large. 625 and an old cropped match photo.  Now I can see why my diminutive hands (compared to yours) have never had the issue. I know it's hard to adjust but covering your right thumb with your left will move the right thumb down and the left thumb away from cylinder gap gas jets. Failing that, getting a replacement latch and whacking off and smoothing the offending metal seems a good bet that it will cure the problem. |
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Post by bigbrowndog on Nov 3, 2023 20:49:46 GMT -5
Well I’m not going to argue, you posed the question and I just gave my opinion of what your grip looked like. Actually the photos with the autos show more tension in your grip, but they also show the other side of your grip. Your forearms and hands show more tension than what is shown in the revo pic.
Good luck figuring it out.
Trapr
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Post by skeen on Nov 3, 2023 23:22:39 GMT -5
Does your left thumb get burnt by the cyl. gap too? I can't imagine it hasn't. 😳 |
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Post by squawberryman on Nov 4, 2023 4:56:30 GMT -5
This is like the book of Job.
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Post by rvolvr on Nov 4, 2023 10:21:03 GMT -5
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Post by bradshaw on Nov 4, 2023 17:27:20 GMT -5
Not freakishly large, but large. 625 and an old cropped match photo. ***** cas.... revealing photo, as others plead you change your grip. Having stood beside and behind top combat and silhouette competitors, and abided involve of marksmanship with sixguns & autos, I salute your effort to simplify the way hold handguns. Let me say it this way: skiing down a mountain it is good to know which way to turn. During the first IHMSA International Championships----east of L.A., 1977, in Tajunga, California----Ray Chapman, who won the first World Combat Pistol Championship in 1975, invited me to shot with him during the next month and a half I would be in Los Angeles. Ray held no romantic notions of marksmanship; to hit the target is all business. Don’t know how Ray Chapman and I hit it off, near instantaneous. God, it’s great to hang out with a shooter. Your photo reminds me.... adapt to what’s happening. Fundamental difference between a revolver and an auto. Fundamental difference between a single and a double action revolver. Subtle difference between an DA and SA auto, also. You can’t turn cross country skis like you turn the sharpened steel edge on high-sprung alpine boards. Neither combat nor silhouette technique escape static form. Coordinations of form build technique. By definition, combat and silhouette are static----the feet don’t move. Shooting while running composes the wildest gamble. Without practice, why expect it to work? Three major items separate the DA revolver from a short recoil auto semi auto pistol: 1) Recoil modulation of short recoil vs hard breach favors auto. 2) Cartridge power, revolver greatly exceeds auto. 3) Low bore axis of auto----favors moderate power; harmful under heavy recoil. Hand position* Auto----web of hand nestles tang. Neutral thumb position works fine. * Revolver----whether SA or DA, thumb becomes part of grip, inclines downward to touch middle finger. This is a good index. A high thumb position denies recoil, which cannot be denied. Hand pressureNo more than necessary for recoil. A death grip works across a pool table, shits the bed at 40 yards. The moment you fight the gun you have lost. This loss begins with panic on the trigger and rejection of FOLLOW THROUGH. DoctrineEveryone is unique. The COORDINATIONS compose the armature of marksmanship. Refinement devolves on individual practice. Copy another’s form to realize your own; don’t get possessed by body or hand positions which contradict your anatomy. Where doctrine ends, sharpshooting takes over. David Bradshaw |
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Post by paul105 on Nov 4, 2023 19:19:19 GMT -5
Arthritis in thumb joints prevent thumb down shooting hand grip. I think the link below will work but you have to copy and paste it in a New Tab or Window. 2.75" S&W M69, 240gr JSP, 24.0gr H110
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If copy and paste doesn't work -- I give up.
Paul
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Post by junebug on Nov 5, 2023 10:45:52 GMT -5
Your grip works for you obviously or you would have changed it already. So if you are comfortable with how YOU GRIP the gun don't change it. That leaves modifying the guns parts to remove what ever is cutting your thumb. The cylinder latch needs de edging, or polishing. That would be the simplest fix and the way I would go. Its your tool modify it to suit your needs.
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Post by bigbore5 on Nov 5, 2023 12:51:22 GMT -5
Being a user of the BFR'S, I can assure you that defanging guns is not uncommon around the place.
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Post by cas on Nov 5, 2023 13:04:32 GMT -5
Shooting position has a lot to do with it. I shot the .41 again today, the one in the first photo. Off the bench, off bags, one handed. (sort of, at least not the grip I would use shooting off hand) No issues. Though I was shooting 180's and even though it's a near max load, recoil was surprisingly light. Other than slightly heavier bullets, everything else was the same as the bloody photo day. Who knows. I've been shooting S&W's for 45+ years or so, this is not a new thing. Though my hands were smaller as a kid.  In my teens, it was my middle knuckle getting whacked by the trigger guard that was the problem. And AGAIN, NO shooting the .45 ACP like that DID NOT burn my thumb. I am/was in no danger. And NO, I don't shoot any other revolvers that way. Easy.... |
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Post by reflex264 on Nov 7, 2023 9:13:13 GMT -5
Interesting. Never had that problem. The only thing that ever gets me on an S&W is the N-Frame target grips. They get my right in the web of the hand. This post reminds me of Skeeter Skelton's review of the Charter Target Bulldog. The gun was actually his idea that he pitched to David Ecker. When he started shooting it he was bleeding in a very few shots. The latch got him good with warm loads in the light gun. He just couldn't stay away from it.
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Post by patrick1948 on Dec 2, 2023 20:30:07 GMT -5
Been shooting revolvers for over 50 years and that grip that you are using is not revolver friendly.
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There used to be video of it, but I don't know if it still exists. I think that was early on in my revolver USPSA days and I was still shooting X-Frame grips. I think I only shot them one or two years before going to Nils.
In my teens, it was my middle knuckle getting whacked by the trigger guard that was the problem. 