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Post by northerngos on Oct 22, 2023 18:24:15 GMT -5
Wait, the Earth ISN'T FLAT? I am just adding some levity. I like the idea of specific isotope for testing but think that would rule out recycling our own lead as we see fit, so basically we are down to monolithic rounds as far as cost but yet still shooting lead. It is an interesting point though. I feel like it’s a great idea for modern manufacturers, would be a way to get ahead of the problem in the public view. It seems like so many issues are almost equally supported on both sides. There is a good portion of the population that is basically ok with hunting as long as it’s not something they have to see or think about regularly. They kind of shy away from a lot of attempts at outright banning. But someone starts waving X-rays of eagles with lead fragments in their intestines and videos of birds flopping around getting ready to check out from lead poisoning… |
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Post by jgt on Oct 23, 2023 8:57:56 GMT -5
I guess you we not around when the lead shot ban took effect. What happened was the claim was made that waterfowl were ingesting lead shot while feeding in ponds and dying from lead poisoning. The claim did not hold water (pun intended) because only puddle ducks feed on the bottom so that would eliminate all the non-puddle duck species. They still used it to ban lead shot for all migratory bird hunting. At the same time, the people like me said to heck with waterfowl hunting if that's what they are going to do. So the population exploded and over populated the wetlands. Tree huggers never give a nickel toward purchasing land for animal habitat so the over population caused cholera and millions of birds died. Many times more than were killed by any other means.
Next came the California claim of condors ingesting lead from gut piles left by hunters. No investigation of the number killed by automobiles, windmills, or industrial pollutants. That was merrily a backdoor way to band hunting by tree huggers.
It worked so well in California, they decided to take that show on the road. The only way they are going to have the backing of hunters is to do legitimate studies that reflect the true cause of declines in the species they claim are harmed. That is not going to take place because they know it is all b.s. like everything else the globalist cabal is pushing.
As for my remark about a little lead poisoning being a good thing, I believe it was evident that was satire and not to be taken as a legitimate suggestion.
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Post by jgt on Oct 23, 2023 9:23:18 GMT -5
As long as we're being ridiculous, here is a solution to the condor problem. Take all the lead saved from the lead bullets and make .50 caliber bullets. Shoot all the windmills. Save not only the condors, but all the other problems and pollution they cause.
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Post by xae289 on Oct 23, 2023 16:29:16 GMT -5
That problem hangs over my head every year. I mostly hunt my buddy's private land, so it wouldn't affect me much, but I like to go out on public land as well and it would mess with that. I will use good copper bullets like Barnes' offerings if I ever need to. Thankfully I already experimented with some and know that the 110 gr Tac-TX does a great job on whitetails from a .300 Blackout rifle at 2400 fps pushed by a near-max load of H110.
Unfortunately, on the public land, rifles are a no-go, so I will have to find out what works out of my sidelock muzzleloader and my .44 Mag revolvers. The lousy thing is that their extreme cost and limited availability means more practice with ballistically similar bullets and less with the actual bullet I'll use to hunt.
The worst thing about this is that offerings in lead-free ammo aren't prolific and there are lots of poor choices among them. Especially when it first gets passed, there will be a lot of hunters out there who aren't all that knowledgeable or are cheap and will choose a poor offering. There will be lots of wounded and lost deer and bears those first few years just so some jerks in office can score some political points without doing anything.
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Post by Snyd on Oct 23, 2023 18:13:01 GMT -5
Reading the post about lead or jacketed bullets for hunting got me thinking. What will everyone do when lead is banned for hunting ? As much as I hate the thought it’s coming. Already has in some locations. I'll take my chances and pay the fine. It's just like the banning of felt soled waders here in Alaska. I think it was Trout Unlimited that pushed and got it put in place here in AK. First state to do so. Made us a poster child. They failed to tell the migrating Caribou to not walk from one stream to the other though while they were at it. The wifey and I have a special spot we hike into to fly fish. No way I'm gonna have her slipping around on rocks taking a chance of falling and breaking something. Much cheaper to pay a fine. My .02 |
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Post by Snyd on Oct 23, 2023 19:08:21 GMT -5
I guess you we not around when the lead shot ban took effect. What happened was the claim was made that waterfowl were ingesting lead shot while feeding in ponds and dying from lead poisoning. The claim did not hold water (pun intended) because only puddle ducks feed on the bottom so that would eliminate all the non-puddle duck species. They still used it to ban lead shot for all migratory bird hunting. At the same time, the people like me said to heck with waterfowl hunting if that's what they are going to do. So the population exploded and over populated the wetlands. Tree huggers never give a nickel toward purchasing land for animal habitat so the over population caused cholera and millions of birds died. Many times more than were killed by any other means. Next came the California claim of condors ingesting lead from gut piles left by hunters. No investigation of the number killed by automobiles, windmills, or industrial pollutants. That was merrily a backdoor way to band hunting by tree huggers. It worked so well in California, they decided to take that show on the road. The only way they are going to have the backing of hunters is to do legitimate studies that reflect the true cause of declines in the species they claim are harmed. That is not going to take place because they know it is all b.s. like everything else the globalist cabal is pushing. As for my remark about a little lead poisoning being a good thing, I believe it was evident that was satire and not to be taken as a legitimate suggestion. Grampa and I just kept a few 3inch 12g #2's handy for when the geese came in! I still remember shooting mallards over decoys with steel shot, wings set, watched em roll and tumble in the air and fly away. Lucky and Tuffy the Chessies looked at as with disgust... |
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