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Post by contender on Sept 2, 2023 9:14:59 GMT -5
David,, I know you've got more time behind your gun & sights than Carter's got liver pills. I was just thinking of a side by side direct comparison would be interesting to actually judge the outcome while everything was the same except the sights. Especially for those with much less experiences here,, or maybe newer handgunners.
More for those who wonder about the actual difference from a factory sight to a RW/2dogs sight.
I have ZERO doubt the sights are a game changer. I'm patiently awaiting a few myself.
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Post by bradshaw on Sept 2, 2023 13:20:31 GMT -5
Tyrone.... the Firing Line brought my first, and subsequent, invites to Bill Ruger’s dinner table. Bullroar doesn’t elicit a second call from Bill Ruger.
My effort with gun makers was to parlay knowledge distilled from the competitive arena into improved performance from factory-stock instruments. The Production category of the International Handgun Metallic Silhouette Association (IHMSA, popularly called “im-sah”), prohibited modification of factory-stock pistols and revolvers----except for a trigger job with all-factory parts, painted factory sights, and aftermarket stocks finished to a standard pattern (which eliminated Herrett’s, etc).
IPSC (International Practical Shooting Confederation) has no similar category. In consequence, all the guns were custom; leastwise for top competition. IPSC spawned a clique of super stars, some of whom really wanted to be catered to. Didn’t do much to advance average skill level.
Whereas, in IHMSA the very best long range pistol shots went head-to-head using stock guns in the Production, Revolver, and Standing categories. Custom pistols were shot in the Unlimited category only. If you put a Bo-Mar sight on a Ruger you shot it in Unlimited----against jet fuel single shots.
Reckon I’ve spent enough time on IRON SIGHTS to know a good SIGHT PICTURE. The Fermin Garza-Ronnie Wells RW 2Dogs delivers a good sight picture. I don’t need to do a blood test on myself to know that. All I need is a target. Therefore, without hesitation I’ll stand on the parapet of the Empire State Building, or in the torch window of the Statue of Liberty to say the RW 2Dogs sight has found a home on the Ruger 03.
My intent was & is to drive commitment, technique, and practice.
A country simple equation: the target is the final arbiter of accuracy.
David Bradshaw
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Post by contender on Sept 2, 2023 22:19:39 GMT -5
David,, my sincerest apologies if I gave you the impression that I doubted your abilities. I DID NOT INTEND FOR THAT. I knew you had a lifetime of experience with iron sights,,, and as such,, you doing a side by side comparison would show others the true differences between the "factory" & the RW/2Dogs! As you say,, let the target be the arbiter. I figured in YOUR hands,, a side by side comparison would be a good baseline to prove the quality of these sights.
PLEASE, please forgive me if I offended you in any way. NOT the reason for my initial comment.
I'm awaiting a few of these sights myself,, and I had planned a side-by-side comparison to see & show the differences. I figured your knowledge & abilities are better than mine & the results would be easier seen. I can easily screw up due to my astigmatism in one eye.
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Post by bradshaw on Sept 3, 2023 7:01:10 GMT -5
Tyrone.... IRON SIGHTS remain a last frontier of handgun marksmanship. If there is a shortcut to marksmanship, it is technique. Practice is not a shortcut, because a shortcut is about saving time, and practice takes time.
If there is a mechanical shortcut to marksmanship, it incorporates:
* good grip
* good trigger
* good sights
The RW 2Dogs is not just a good sight, it is an excellent sight, developed by two hard corps students of the sixgun. The RW 2Dogs sight reduces the variable sight picture posed by different light conditions, especially bright sun, or light from a low angle, or from behind the shooter. I’m believe the RW 2Dogs sight will help shooters at every skill level.
David Bradshaw
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Post by weiler on Sept 3, 2023 7:50:35 GMT -5
David,, my sincerest apologies if I gave you the impression that I doubted your abilities. I DID NOT INTEND FOR THAT. I knew you had a lifetime of experience with iron sights,,, and as such,, you doing a side by side comparison would show others the true differences between the "factory" & the RW/2Dogs! As you say,, let the target be the arbiter. I figured in YOUR hands,, a side by side comparison would be a good baseline to prove the quality of these sights. PLEASE, please forgive me if I offended you in any way. NOT the reason for my initial comment. I'm awaiting a few of these sights myself,, and I had planned a side-by-side comparison to see & show the differences. I figured your knowledge & abilities are better than mine & the results would be easier seen. I can easily screw up due to my astigmatism in one eye. I’m planning on putting a 2 dogs/RW rear and a 2 dogs front on my old 7 1/2 stainlessSuper that I’m “refreshing”….the gun was rebuilt by Ruger but still retain’s the well well worn factory front sight so a before/after target comparison will happen…wont be David quality shooting but I’ll do my best 🤠 |
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Post by contender on Sept 3, 2023 8:51:25 GMT -5
weiler,, you & I are of the same mind. My shooting isn't on par with David's and I too have plans to do a comparison. My plan is to take my .357 Maximum,, using the VERY accurate Bradshaw/Martin cast bullet & load, and shoot a solid careful group as it is right now. Then, while at the range, swap out the factory rear blade, & repeat the shooting. That was all I was suggesting to David. To see just how much of a difference it will make. I know his abilities surpass mine,, so we'll just do our best.
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Post by webber on Sept 3, 2023 10:10:02 GMT -5
weiler,, you & I are of the same mind. My shooting isn't on par with David's and I too have plans to do a comparison. My plan is to take my .357 Maximum,, using the VERY accurate Bradshaw/Martin cast bullet & load, and shoot a solid careful group as it is right now. Then, while at the range, swap out the factory rear blade, & repeat the shooting. That was all I was suggesting to David. To see just how much of a difference it will make. I know his abilities surpass mine,, so we'll just do our best. Please don't take offense to this. A single group with each sight, while better than no test, is to me a not much worthwhile test. To me one would have to shoot 5 or 6 different groups with each to get a decent test. To many times we will shoot a group that borders on the near impossible and hang out hats on that one group and ignore all the many more groups that weren't no where at all near as good. I have found most all shooters are that way. Now if over a period of time one can shoot one sight consistently better that it the telling test. To easy to get on the confirmation bias bandwagon. |
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Post by contender on Sept 3, 2023 22:13:36 GMT -5
Often,, a single group in an average "Joe the weekend plinker" type with that mindset,, will boast of their ability. Casual shooters do not truly understand what it takes to be a serious shooter. But even a casual shooter should see a difference between these sights & factory ones.
Someone like David,, who has the life long skills AND the awards for his marksmanship is different. His single group above is a good solid representation of what he AND the sights can do. David has posted enough info, and targets here that prove he's a top level shooter. My comments were just directed to doing a side-by-side comparison of the sights in identical situations.
His assessment of these sights is good enough for me to believe in them.
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Post by bigbore5 on Sept 4, 2023 5:29:38 GMT -5
Being a multiple champion shooter like Bradshaw using factory sights, he can definitely tell the difference with a few shoots, let alone a few groups.
The rest of us will require a few more to see the results.
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Post by webber on Sept 4, 2023 7:03:34 GMT -5
Before this gets too far out I didn't say anything about Mr. Bradshaw directly or mention his name.
I was targeting everyone that shoots with a wide swath in my statement. I will say they are a very few that comes along that are qualified to make statements that can, for the most part, be taken for near perfect fact. Not many. I would say Mr. Bradshaw is one of those rarely seen rare few that can be said of.
Those types don't fall off trees and aren't running around making those near perfect factual statements like corn being run through a corn sheller.
Reread my post and see if I mentioned Mr. Bradshaw.
I didn't even quote him.
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Post by contender on Sept 4, 2023 8:09:10 GMT -5
webber,, you are correct.
You didn't mention David,, and I think most of us here recognize the fact he's NOT the "average Joe" shooter. I was trying to make my post show the differences between the average Joe AND a person like David.
It appears that my postings lately are not articulating my thoughts too well. Sometimes it's hard to type the things running in our heads in a manner that translates our feelings & what we wish to say.
That's why I'm not a professional writer.
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Post by webber on Sept 4, 2023 8:22:47 GMT -5
webber,, you are correct. You didn't mention David,, and I think most of us here recognize the fact he's NOT the "average Joe" shooter. I was trying to make my post show the differences between the average Joe AND a person like David. It appears that my postings lately are not articulating my thoughts too well. Sometimes it's hard to type the things running in our heads in a manner that translates our feelings & what we wish to say. That's why I'm not a professional writer. Thanks. Mr. Bradshaw would be the last person I would doubt of all the people I have read on all the forums I have browsed all these many years. He is one I go to to see what he says about things. I am sure he will agree about most shooters. Many are assumers, jumpers to conclusions, and often overlookers of pertinent facts who are fans of confirmation bias. In my many, many years of shooting I have seen just about all types. They abound at the ranges, forums and gunshops. |
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Post by bradshaw on Sept 4, 2023 10:59:15 GMT -5
Webber.... the competitive firing line can be the worst----and the best----place to handle nerve pressure. Competition is an oasis away from speculation. Discussion does not ensue on the tournament firing line. When there is communication, it is between shooter & spotter. There simply isn’t time to discuss technique and dope. There is time only to act, or possibly to “AA”----Adjust & Act. This is the beauty of involvement.
David Bradshaw
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Post by 45MAN on Sept 11, 2023 6:58:03 GMT -5
DAVID MAKES THE EXCELLENT POINT IN 1 OF HIS ABOVE POSTS THAT THE NEW RW 2 DOGS RS HELPS ACROSS ALL LEVELS OF GOOD AND POOR LIGHTING/SIGHTING CONDITIONS. THE HELP THEY GIVE WILL PROBABLY VARY ON THE LIGHTING/SIGHTING CONDITIONS, WITH THE MOST HELP WITH THE WORST LIGHTING/SIGHTING CONDITIONS.
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Post by bradshaw on Sept 11, 2023 11:28:41 GMT -5
Rey.... the difference between the RW 2Dogs sight and the stock Ruger sight fell into sharp contrast yesterday as Shot aerial water jugs. Glare of the sun outlined the cookie-cutter Ruger notch and its arced cradle ion a sight base. Fast shots are made on a flash sight picture: the cleaner the sights, the faster the picture. To shoot only when the thrown water jugs crosses drops below the horizon line----no shooting into the atmosphere----grossly shrinks the shot window. Fiberoptic sights have a huge advantage as they grab your eye. Against this, fiberoptic sights greatly limit accuracy at distance.
A black window with the white outline introduced on the S&W Model 29 provide a muted visibility which does not impede precise alignment. In this respect, I consider the original M-29 red ramp front/white outline rear one of the all-time great handgun hunting combos. Black on black wins tournaments, yet disappears in the mottled light of fall hunting, particularly in the woods.
The RW 2Dogs sight may be had with or without white outline. Even if you paint the RW 2Dogs you retain the flat graphic so loved by competitive shooters. An important aspect of learning to shoot fast is first learn to shoot slow. Marksmanship carries into speed. Speed has a hard time trying to carrying into marksmanship in the absence of an accuracy foundation. For all the right reasons, I believe the RW 2Dogs sight is not for accomplished shots only. Rather, it is a sight on which to build marksmanship from beginner to master.
David Bradshaw
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