gtojim
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Post by gtojim on Aug 19, 2023 6:20:22 GMT -5
Would you like to double your money??
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Post by bradshaw on Aug 20, 2023 10:54:01 GMT -5
***** With S&W and Ruger adopting 2-piece barrels, the move must be economic. Perhaps a Sharpshooter with time, money, and boredom on her or his hands will test samples of older Smiths, and/or Rugers, against the 2-piece arrangement @ 100 yards. As for accuracy of a traditional S&W vs the 2-piece generation, we know the precisioin of the past, so we only need the NEW to certify its standing. Still with questions, can a gunsmith experienced in traditional revolver barrel removal/installation tackle the 2-piece with similar ease? David Bradshaw |
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Post by wendigo on Aug 20, 2023 11:19:01 GMT -5
A 'smith posted photos of one disassembled a few years back, don't recall where now. The barrel nut/muzzle cap appears to be a staked or crush fit unit not intended for reuse. I got the impression that it's possible with the proper tools and temperament, though not necessarily easy.
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Post by Encore64 on Aug 20, 2023 11:23:56 GMT -5
I've wondered the same thing. Have passed on a couple S&Ws I wanted because they had issues I didn't know if I could get corrected or not...
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jeffh
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Post by jeffh on Aug 20, 2023 12:19:05 GMT -5
***** With S&W and Ruger adopting 2-piece barrels, the move must be economic. Perhaps a Sharpshooter with time, money, and boredom on her or his hands will test samples of older Smiths, and/or Rugers, against the 2-piece arrangement @ 100 yards. As for accuracy of a traditional S&W vs the 2-piece generation, we know the precisioin of the past, so we only need the NEW to certify its standing. Still with questions, can a gunsmith experienced in traditional revolver barrel removal/installation tackle the 2-piece with similar ease? David Bradshaw
Economic for certain, like MIM parts too. As with the uncertainty about the barrels, I question how much "work" one could do on an MIM component without getting past the hardened part. Maybe MIM parts are just that much smoother to begin with - I don't know.
I'm surprised at how little criticism Smith and Ruger's economizing has drawn, when they are doing similar things Charter Arms did years ago - and were widely criticized for being "cheap." Given that prices on these economized revolvers cost, it does not appear the customer has benefited at all from the measures.
Just observing, musing - no criticism of the technology or the application thereof.
That really is a beautiful revolver and I hope it shoots to that same level as its visual appeal. I am happy that Smith still makes a revolver which isn't hobbled with a strange aesthetic for the sake of looking new or different. The classic lines of this one are very appealing and very reassuring that some facet of tried-n-true is still respected and appreciated.
As for the two-piece barrels and the question of what one will get into removing/replacing, this was an issue for the Charter twp-piece barrels IF someone took steps to prevent the "shroud" form working loose. Green Loctite will do it and I am pretty confident that one could twist that barrel off in one piece after such treatment, but whether one could salvage the shroud - I don't know. I tried heat on one once and chickened out when I got to the point that I thought the aluminum might melt. That sucker was ON there for GOOD.
Again, not a criticism. I didn't think it was a terrible idea when Charter did it. I don't think it's a terrible idea now. Just curious what affects it will have on gunsmithing - what opportunities await the crafty, creative 'smiths.
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Post by needsmostuff on Aug 20, 2023 12:50:02 GMT -5
I view the two piece not so much as an economizing move but more as an evolution I believe they all will make. Much like the Savage barrel nut on bolt actions. Assembly is Quick, Front sights are clocked correctly and cylinder gap should be correct. Master machinist,,,,not needed. Thinking it's the future. No real side by side testing but so far I have been pleased. Instead of the Mod 19 I went stainless with the 66-8. It in fact makes a great understudy for the mod 69. All the same crane lock and two piece barrel and feel( same grip).  And the new school versus old school picture. Notice I have not gotten rid of the old one yet.  |
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jeffh
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Post by jeffh on Aug 20, 2023 15:20:07 GMT -5
It's not either/or, it's both.
Savage made the bold step to get with the times and implement modern design/machining/manufacturing technology and could sell a push-feed for less than the companies trying to continue to make "Mausers." Remington and Winchester eventually did away with the most costly features thereof, step by step. Savage suffered from the stigma of being "cheap" until relatively recently.
Definitely evolution, but definitely driven by cost.
Again, not a crticism, except that none of the cost savings are being enjoyed by users. CZ even did it fairly recently with the 550 and 527.
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Post by Encore64 on Aug 20, 2023 18:23:46 GMT -5
Doesn't sound like critism to me. Just a sign of the times.
I clearly can't speak of longevity. But, quality is much higher than many guns I've seen with traditional barrels...
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Post by enfield on Aug 22, 2023 20:55:14 GMT -5
I bought a 66-8 2 weeks ago and dropped it off with Nelson Ford today. It definitely needed the trigger radiused, as dry firing a few thousand times had chewed my finger up pretty well. Mr. Ford said that he's noticed modern Smiths have much tighter, more consistent tolerances, but the frmae mounted firing pin requires more spring energy to reliably ignite primers.
I'm impressed with the fit amd finish of my pistol. After the action job and gold bead sight, it should be a really nice one.
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gustaf
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Post by gustaf on Aug 23, 2023 5:43:27 GMT -5
The Rifleman tested one in March 2019 and it had great accuracy:
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COR
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Post by COR on Aug 23, 2023 17:36:15 GMT -5
My 2 1/2" 19 is my favorite double action handgun I own. Old Tom Richardson decided I needed to have it and made me a silly deal on it and it is just as much fun to shoot as any revolver can be. That gun is a special one Bill, Tom was a good fella that always made me feel good when around him. Glad you have that gun. |
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Post by reflex264 on Aug 24, 2023 19:04:46 GMT -5
Everyone needs at least one good 19.  |
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Post by mhblaw on Aug 24, 2023 19:41:37 GMT -5
I have only two Smiths, a 19-3 and a 57-2, both acquired in the mid 70’s. Only double actions I own, being a SA fan, of course.
The 19 will be one of the last to go as I downsize.
Come to think of it I also have an 18. Never mind.
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Post by bushog on Aug 25, 2023 20:13:34 GMT -5
Doesn't sound like critism to me. Just a sign of the times. I clearly can't speak of longevity. But, quality is much higher than many guns I've seen with traditional barrels... Are the 19 Classics round butt with square grips or square butt? |
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Post by Encore64 on Aug 25, 2023 20:23:06 GMT -5
Doesn't sound like critism to me. Just a sign of the times. I clearly can't speak of longevity. But, quality is much higher than many guns I've seen with traditional barrels... Are the 19 Classics round butt with square grips or square butt? Round Butt with square grips.. |
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