weiler
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Post by weiler on May 29, 2023 7:18:37 GMT -5
Sounds to me like That test has more to do with muscle familiarity and the grip frame, than whether the sights are good for their intended purpose. Taking the same exact sights and place them on a Glock and a 1911, and muscle memory from presenting one to the target will not translate to the other. The same can be said for Ruger Bisley grip and traditional plow handle grip or FA. Trapr ***** Fact is, the concert of Body & Mind can remember a lot of different movements, tasks, and tools. Which is why I want different guns to have their own feel----so I can tell tham apart without looking. Marksmanship is a task. Task”implies an activity made familiar through repetition. Muscle memory & brain memory reinforce one-another. I’ve just come in from shooting aerial water jugs, which started with a K-22, and finished with the Ruger 03 with .45 ACP cylinder. Totally different grips with totally different triggers. the K-22 double action, the Ruger 03 with single action trigger of 1-1/2 lbs. To grasp either sixgun activates technique specific to the gun. Last time I shot thrown water jugs I started with a Ruger MK II Target 5-1/4” tapered bull, followed by a Colt Delta Elite 10mm Auto and finishing with a Les Baer 1991 Super Tac .45 ACP; each has its own distinct trigger. Before that I moved a Ruger MK II Government Model .22LR (6-7/8” bull barrel), with a Ruger .357 Maximum 10-1/2”. The eye goes to the target. The sights come to the eye. This is the way. The eye does not hunt for the sights, because then you lose the target. Once the sights are to the eye, the eye speed reads the sight picture. THE EYE LOOKS; THE MIND SEES. As the eye gives the mind its target. eye focus simultaneously pulls back to the front sight. The mind tells the eye where to focus. This conscious act becomes somewhat second nature through practice. The more conscientious the practice, the stronger the CO-ORDINATIONS of MARKSMANSHIP become. Dry fire is a good thing. Practice co-ordinations of marksmanship and oxygenate body & mind at the same time. David Bradshaw I should print this out and staple copies up at the range, great stuff
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KRal
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Post by KRal on Jun 3, 2023 2:52:31 GMT -5
For iron sighted hunting, I love the fiber optic front and have two hunting revolvers set up with fiber optic front and Bowen V-rear with vertical white line. I don't feel handicapped at all with that combo within 75 yards - which is my iron sighted self-imposed limit. I've killed several critters with that combo. Heres a write up I did a while back on one of the revolvers... Old Model 41 Mag
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Post by wyomingnimrod on Jun 15, 2023 17:27:09 GMT -5
For iron sighted hunting, I love the fiber optic front and have two hunting revolvers set up with fiber optic front and Bowen V-rear with vertical white line. I don't feel handicapped at all with that combo within 75 yards - which is my iron sighted self-imposed limit. I've killed several critters with that combo. Heres a write up I did a while back on one of the revolvers... Old Model 41 MagWhat a gorgeous gun. And highly utilitarian as well with regards to many of your choices, in this case the sights. That is the most attractive set of qualities an object can have: beauty and function. People too for that matter I suppose. Despite the overwhelming results of the poll, like your .41Mag example, I do feel the need to try out a fiber optic front sight with a V-rear for hunting/defense purposes. Now I just have to decide if that is going on my FA97 .45 Colt or on a soon-to-be-mine FA 83 .454. Decisions!
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pleadthe2nd
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Post by pleadthe2nd on Jun 15, 2023 17:47:57 GMT -5
I have hesitated to reply to this thread, because I don't have any experience with bear defense, but, I keep thinking about the old saying, that no sights at all is best, that way it doesn't rip your lower intestine when the bear shoves it up your, well, you know
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Post by boolitdesigner on Jun 15, 2023 18:03:33 GMT -5
***** The eye goes to the target. The sights come to the eye. This is the way. The eye does not hunt for the sights, because then you lose the target. Once the sights are to the eye, the eye speed reads the sight picture. THE EYE LOOKS; THE MIND SEES. As the eye gives the mind its target. eye focus simultaneously pulls back to the front sight. The mind tells the eye where to focus and tells the body to pull the trigger (all in concert). This conscious act becomes somewhat second nature through practice. The more conscientious the practice, the stronger the CO-ORDINATIONS of MARKSMANSHIP become. David Bradshaw This is quite good as I almost never find anybody who actually knows what happens. Bravo Sir and my Thanks. It also allows people to shoot much smaller objects than filled slow water jugs.
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Post by rjm52 on Jun 21, 2023 6:35:22 GMT -5
wyo....you asked before about the recoil difference between the FA 83/.454 and the 329...having had both I can tell you that getting a second shot off with either is not something I would want to do in the middle of a bear charge... The 329 simply lifts straight away from the intended target but the grip doesn't change, especially if you put a set of the Hogue 500 grips on. With the FA one has to not only bring the gun down out of recoil but it also rotates in ones hand...
As to the sight question, get sights, especially the front sight, that really "pops" when the gun comes up into alignment. If your grip is square and the front sight on the target, precise alignment in the rear notch at bad breath distance isn't going to cause a miss...
And really we are talking self-defense shooting here vs hunting/target shooting. For that learn Point Shooting. Take the sights off your 97 and practice from 3-15 yards coming from the holster or low ready looking at the target as the gun comes up firing when everything feels square... Which is why for defensive shooting one has to have a gun that shoots where you look...and why I never carry a SA for self defense...just don't have enough time behind the trigger. With a semi or DA revolver I can stack bullets on top of each other, but not with a SA...especially trying to do it fast. A .22 with the same feel as ones centerfire is a good place to start...
Spent 30 years in LE and have been teaching defensive hooting since the early 1990s. Have known a whole bunch of people who have gotten into shootings...and no one sees the sights when the "problem" is very close...which is where a bear is going to be...
Hope this helps...Bob
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Post by wildcatter on Jun 21, 2023 7:57:52 GMT -5
For the purpose the op questioned, I'd have to wonder who has time to use a sight in that encounter? So fixed, rear, rounded front for easy no snag hangup, and getting it pointed in the right direction fast.
Now hunting a bear, I'd go with a fixed front .1" wide, and adjustable rear.
For hunting anything beyond 50 yards, is where I would turn to the bead front with adjustable rear. They take a little longer to line up, but give a more precise aim for me.
Now if I were living and venturing as you in that inviornment,,, one gun,,, I would be happy with my FA 6" with the factory adjustable sights. Not great for any one thing, but a good trade off for all round use.
Now my perfect setup would be the FA 6" 475 on my hip, and the 7.5" BFR 475 on the sling with the Ultra Dot 2moa dot, I'd be at my best in any senerio.
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Post by wyomingnimrod on Jun 22, 2023 20:15:58 GMT -5
Thanks for the input, gentlemen. That all makes a good bit of sense to me. Today I was the lucky recipient of a FA 83 .454 Casull, which I am most grateful for. Much practice awaits and proficiency is a ling way down the road, methinks. But I’m excited to work my way there. Tinkering with sight set-up and holster set-up and loads all to come. And many more questions to come as well, I am sure.
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