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Post by kevshell on Feb 1, 2023 8:46:55 GMT -5
www.gameandfishmag.com/editorial/winchester-big-bore-ammo-shot-show/468710This would be better labeled as fantastic deer medicine. It's almost asking for trouble to say a likely poorly constructed for the job. A jacketed hollow point with that appearance is likely a very poor choice in the 357 or 10 mm. If there ever was a case for a hard cast, those two cartridges would be it if you want to see critter protection. But PT Barnum demonstrated that marketing sells.
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Post by axman on Feb 1, 2023 9:02:01 GMT -5
All the cartridges would be better off with a tough lead bullet.
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Post by cas on Feb 1, 2023 9:39:09 GMT -5
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Post by bula on Feb 1, 2023 10:00:40 GMT -5
Yeah, a 240gr HP is not what I want for big bore/big bear medicine in 44. Saying big wound channels, but that expansion is delayed, doesn't add up. Think the readily available, usually, Speer 270 FP SP a better off the shelf bullet for that job. Oh, and yeah, a WFN or similar cast seems obvious. Does Winchester, amongst it 44 offerings have a better choice ? Curious.
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Post by kevshell on Feb 1, 2023 11:47:42 GMT -5
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Post by bigbrowndog on Feb 1, 2023 12:23:36 GMT -5
I wonder how much of stuff like this is simply rebranding, changing names to fit current “catch phrase” dynamics, etc. To me a 240 JHP at 1300-1400 is nothing new, nor current cutting edge. Something heavier would be a better choice for what I assume is the direction they are aiming for. However Hornady and Federal have both brought out lines of ammunition aimed at the handgun hunting crowd, with Federal combining theirs with the levergun community. Both of those lines have impressed me with the terminal performance they provided. Hornady aimed their line to conform with non lead use states, and Federal went with bonded bullets for maintaining better bullet integrity, they also chose a 270gr. bullet for the 44mag line.
So technically Winchester is a little slow on the product release.
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Post by kevshell on Feb 1, 2023 13:12:01 GMT -5
Pretty sure you are spot on with the assessment of going with the current fad. As soon as I saw that bullet it just reminded me of the 1970s semi jacketed hollow point. Unless that is some type of partition bullet I can't imagine it's any better or different than many of the swaged core bullets. All of which are fine for whitetail but a poor choice for the picture on the box. It's almost to the point of misadvertising or misleading advertisements.
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Post by bisleyfan41 on Feb 1, 2023 20:51:58 GMT -5
While the actual projectiles may be different, minutely, than what they currently offer, the only thing I notice is increased velocities with the same standard weight bullets. Except for the Colt, whose ballistics are no different than other run-of-the-mill offerings from various companies.
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Post by boolitdesigner on Feb 2, 2023 3:49:40 GMT -5
Most any of the current manufacturers know how to make a solid (even with funny nose cavities on them). Most of those nose cavities don't work well either. John Nosler solved a problem for the hunting crowd with the partition. However, very FEW people know what to do with handgun bullets and making them work that way. Once you kill a large number of larger animals, you understand what is required (the where and function). That in itself has a lot of implications that few people want or understand.
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