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Post by lshines on Nov 8, 2022 14:09:29 GMT -5
Y'all are making me salivate. Doggoneitall, I should have bid higher on that blued one, but I thought it was too high to begin with. So, YES, Mr. Ruger, please make the 357mag with Bisley (or PJ), unfluted cylinder, 6.5" barrel for us! The configuration is obviously wanted! It's definitely usable for whitetail (especially in the woods) and fun shooting! The available hunting rounds in the caliber are good!
Potatojudge: that round sounds interesting! One of these days, I'll get to reloading and maybe... RW also talked about the 360...
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Post by lshines on Nov 8, 2022 21:26:24 GMT -5
Thanks for the great pictures, Mr. Taffin! Doggone I love just go gaga over these things! I wish I had more time and space to shoot more often. OH, and more $'s to buy them :-)
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Post by bigbrowndog on Nov 8, 2022 23:12:15 GMT -5
One of those Taffin pics I believe is the old curmudgeon with Linebaugh, I count having his counsel as a benefit when I owned my AutoMag, God Speed Mr. Jurras Trapr
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Post by contender on Nov 9, 2022 10:05:59 GMT -5
As with all manufacturing companies,, demand helps drive production. And the demand MAY seem to be there,, but you have to look at the big picture. Ruger would need to sell a LOT of something to justify it as a catalog item. Say you like the Bisley .357 with a non-fluted cylinder, and the 6-1/2" bbl. When it comes out,, IMMEDIATELY you will hear others say things like; "Why not a 4-5/8" bbl? That's what I want." "Why not flute the cylinder? I want one fluted." "Why put a Bisley g/f on that gun? I don't like them." "I want it in blue, Not stainless." "I want it stainless, not blue."
It's much easier for Ruger to get a distributor to commit to an order of say 500 - 1000 guns of a specific style, and let it go that direction. A general production item, (catalogued,) can sell a certain number of guns,, but unless they sell quickly, and do NOT sit on shelves,, Ruger can't afford to do such things. Products built need to move at a steady pace or they have money tied up in a slow moving product, which COSTS in terms of storage & overhead, (inventory.) Ruger is heavily into lean manufacturing.
LUCKILY,, the type you seek has been made in the past,, and can be easily re-set on a production line. It'd just take a distributor to make a request,, BACKED by the financials, to get another run of them.
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Post by maxcactus on Nov 9, 2022 14:12:23 GMT -5
One of those Taffin pics I believe is the old curmudgeon with Linebaugh, I count having his counsel as a benefit when I owned my AutoMag, God Speed Mr. Jurras Trapr I thought that was Mr. Jurras with John Linebaugh. I miss his input on our forum as well. Another man whom I wish had committed more of his life experience into writing to share with us.
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Post by pattontime on Nov 9, 2022 23:46:28 GMT -5
I have the Bisley 357 in 7-1/2" barrel, with roll marked unfluted cylinder, along with the same in 41 Magnum & 44 Magnum, some of my favorites to shoot. For the 357 I load 180-grain Hi-Tek coated bullets with a plain base gas check and push them pretty fast, shoots like a laser for me. I use H-110 & also Enforcer, which I bought a lot of when recently powder was so hard to find and it always seemed like the best price I could find on magnum pistol powder and I have grown to really like it, in all three calibers. None of the three are changed much from stock, mostly just new springs, I like a 40 OZ trigger return and a 19# hammer spring, I also did recently put steel ejector housings from Ruger on them, I don't love the grips but they fit pretty well, I so often buy different stocks for my revolvers, but sometimes factory grips work OK for me, I haven't even looked up dates of manufacture but I am guessing all three are 80's guns.
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Post by lshines on Nov 11, 2022 9:55:05 GMT -5
As with all manufacturing companies,, demand helps drive production. And the demand MAY seem to be there,, but you have to look at the big picture. Ruger would need to sell a LOT of something to justify it as a catalog item. Say you like the Bisley .357 with a non-fluted cylinder, and the 6-1/2" bbl. When it comes out,, IMMEDIATELY you will hear others say things like; "Why not a 4-5/8" bbl? That's what I want." "Why not flute the cylinder? I want one fluted." "Why put a Bisley g/f on that gun? I don't like them." "I want it in blue, Not stainless." "I want it stainless, not blue." It's much easier for Ruger to get a distributor to commit to an order of say 500 - 1000 guns of a specific style, and let it go that direction. A general production item, (catalogued,) can sell a certain number of guns,, but unless they sell quickly, and do NOT sit on shelves,, Ruger can't afford to do such things. Products built need to move at a steady pace or they have money tied up in a slow moving product, which COSTS in terms of storage & overhead, (inventory.) Ruger is heavily into lean manufacturing. LUCKILY,, the type you seek has been made in the past,, and can be easily re-set on a production line. It'd just take a distributor to make a request,, BACKED by the financials, to get another run of them. I understand this - but you know, in today's time, it seems like they could do the Burger King thing - have it your way! All components are similar to current catalog items, barrels, grip frames, cylinders, etc. So, John Doe customer - via his LGS - ordered a 357 Bisley, 6.5", blued, unfluted cylinder, is paying the "special order" fee. Unfluted cylinder will delay things - grab a blank from the proper size cylinder box, drill, etc. - everything else in in stock - make it! Hold the onions and ketchup! It can't be THAT HARD to do......
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Post by lshines on Nov 11, 2022 9:56:01 GMT -5
Thanks for the info pattontime!
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Post by contender on Nov 11, 2022 10:20:00 GMT -5
"I understand this - but you know, in today's time, it seems like they could do the Burger King thing - have it your way! All components are similar to current catalog items, barrels, grip frames, cylinders, etc. So, John Doe customer - via his LGS - ordered a 357 Bisley, 6.5", blued, unfluted cylinder, is paying the "special order" fee. Unfluted cylinder will delay things - grab a blank from the proper size cylinder box, drill, etc. - everything else in in stock - make it! Hold the onions and ketchup! It can't be THAT HARD to do......"
You do not understand how Ruger builds guns in their modern "lean" type of manufacturing. They can not stop a production line to "be like Burger King" and build a gun your way. If you want to see how they build guns now, there is video out there, recently done, by Ruger. It shows the plant in NC and them making the Marlin rifles. I saw it a few weeks ago, in a link on a gun forum. (I can't recall where,, but do a google-fu search or a you-boob search, I'm sure you can find it.) And having been to the plant myself,, I can attest to the fact that it would cost Ruger a LOT of money to "build it your way." You would not want to pay the price for the down time in them doing special stuff.
Each line is set up to do a specific model a specific way. Once the build a specified number of a certain model, then they change the line over to a different model. Custom stuff takes too long.
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Post by DutchV on Nov 11, 2022 10:34:40 GMT -5
There are a fair number of .357 Blackhawks for sale on the auction sites. Fitting a Bisley grip frame would be easy enough. You might have to live with a fluted cylinder, though.
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Post by drycreek on Nov 11, 2022 14:32:27 GMT -5
"I understand this - but you know, in today's time, it seems like they could do the Burger King thing - have it your way! All components are similar to current catalog items, barrels, grip frames, cylinders, etc. So, John Doe customer - via his LGS - ordered a 357 Bisley, 6.5", blued, unfluted cylinder, is paying the "special order" fee. Unfluted cylinder will delay things - grab a blank from the proper size cylinder box, drill, etc. - everything else in in stock - make it! Hold the onions and ketchup! It can't be THAT HARD to do......" You do not understand how Ruger builds guns in their modern "lean" type of manufacturing. They can not stop a production line to "be like Burger King" and build a gun your way. If you want to see how they build guns now, there is video out there, recently done, by Ruger. It shows the plant in NC and them making the Marlin rifles. I saw it a few weeks ago, in a link on a gun forum. (I can't recall where,, but do a google-fu search or a you-boob search, I'm sure you can find it.) And having been to the plant myself,, I can attest to the fact that it would cost Ruger a LOT of money to "build it your way." You would not want to pay the price for the down time in them doing special stuff. Each line is set up to do a specific model a specific way. Once the build a specified number of a certain model, then they change the line over to a different model. Custom stuff takes too long. That’s what custom gunsmiths are for, to “have it your way”. I get it, but my age and pocketbook have a hard time with it.
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Post by contender on Nov 11, 2022 20:47:48 GMT -5
"There are a fair number of .357 Blackhawks for sale on the auction sites. Fitting a Bisley grip frame would be easy enough. You might have to live with a fluted cylinder, though.'
True enough. However,, you'd also need a Bisley hammer & trigger. But there are plenty of the Blackhawks, blued in .357 out there to where buying the necessary parts to put it together isn't too costly for the package. The only drawback would be FINDING a blued Bisley g/f.
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Post by leadhound on Nov 12, 2022 1:12:20 GMT -5
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Post by contender on Nov 12, 2022 10:01:25 GMT -5
There ya go!
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Post by DutchV on Nov 15, 2022 8:42:19 GMT -5
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