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Post by Encore64 on Sept 24, 2022 13:00:21 GMT -5
Or, just use 357 Magnum Brass and buy a label maker.
Ammo doesn't "find" it's way into the wrong gun. People put the wrong ammo in the gun.
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Post by leadhound on Sept 24, 2022 13:36:30 GMT -5
Or, just use 357 Magnum Brass and buy a label maker. Ammo doesn't "find" it's way into the wrong gun. People put the wrong ammo in the gun. I love my label maker, it interfaces with my laptop and have 5 or 6 different colors of tape!
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Post by bigbore5 on Sept 24, 2022 14:08:12 GMT -5
The 38-44 loads get +p nickel brass,red primer seals (nail polish works), and different (red) powder coat. Hard to mix in.
Even then, my 38-44 loans max between 20k to 25k. Hard on a j-frame or the alloy one, but not going to lose my fingers.
Using 38Super brass would further help differentiate between standards and baby magnum.
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Post by yumastepside on Sept 24, 2022 16:33:20 GMT -5
Again, thanks, this has all been very helpful. One thing I should have said at the start, identifying different loads was not the only reason for this post, I have always wanted to try a 38 super type load in a revolver. Somewhere in my files I have an old article on this subject from the 80's, but I can't find it at this point.....says a lot for my filing system .... FYI the revolver is a S.A. Uberti 1873 357 Cattleman. Roger
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Post by rjm52 on Sept 24, 2022 17:56:16 GMT -5
"You've sized it up nicely. That's exactly why I went with a Heavy Duty 38 Special. It can be loaded to almost duplicate the 357 Magnum, but reduces easier than the Magnum Length Case..."
I use the same load, 358156/158 grains/6.0 Unique in all four of my .38s... S&W Heavy Duty, S&W 67, S&W 649 and a Colt 2.5" Diamondback...reasoning is simple.
The Colt steel frame Detective Special was factory rated for .38 Special High Velocity (.38-44) ammo in the 1950s. A Diamondback is nothing but a fancy DS.
649...J-frame...same basic gun is a 942...9mm...as in 30K+ psi...and I'm going to worry my relaods that are probably not even making that are going to blow up my gun...no.
67...there is a 947 9mm K-frame...same reasoning as the the Js...
Original .38-44, .38 Special High Speed, had several different loadings by Winchester/Western and Remington/Peters.
150-158 grain bullets were running in the 1115-1150 fps and 110s in the 1350 range from a 5" barrel.
Buffalo Bore certifies their .38 Special 158 hardcast Outdoorsman and 158 LSWC-HP-GC for use in ALUMINUM frame snubbies...and they are running 1150 from a 4"...do they have a magic powder...
Folks over on the S&W and Cast Boolit forums get their panties all in a wad at the mere mention of .38 Special loads that approach 1000 fps. But not a one of them can explain why the same gun in 9mm/30k psi is just peachy...
...sorry to rant...just one of my pet peeves...
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Post by yumastepside on Sept 24, 2022 18:02:55 GMT -5
Excuse my ignorance but what's a 38-44? I'm assuming a 44 mag necked down to 357...I have '92 Winchester in 38-40...
Roger
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Post by leadhound on Sept 24, 2022 18:09:51 GMT -5
Excuse my ignorance but what's a 38-44? I'm assuming a 44 mag necked down to 357...I have '92 Winchester in 38-40... Roger 357-44 Bain & Davis was the 44 necked to .357 The 38-44 was the 38 special heavy loaded in the large frame S&W, pre 357 magnum. Believe somebody here wrote an article about it. americanhandgunner.com/handguns/the-3844-heavy-duty/
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Post by rjm52 on Sept 24, 2022 18:11:12 GMT -5
.38 Super in a .38 Special revolver...yes it will work, sometimes. Most factory ammo will not fit in most .38 Special revolvers. One that does is Winchester. The other issue is headspace. The rim on the Super case is narrower than a .38/.357. This causes excessive headspace that can cause misfires and on occasion pierced primers... Reloads, best to use a LEE Precision undersize .38 Super die that can be purchased from EGW or other places on line. leeprecision.com/undersize-sizing-die-38-super.htmlI have a S&W 686-7 .38 Super and three S&W revolvers that TK Custom made .38 Super cylinders for...(66-2, 60-10 and 649-2). When .38 Special cartriges are fired in those cylinders they have a noticeable bulge where the chamber had to be increased in diameter to accommodate the Super case.
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Post by Encore64 on Sept 24, 2022 20:46:21 GMT -5
Excuse my ignorance but what's a 38-44? I'm assuming a 44 mag necked down to 357...I have '92 Winchester in 38-40... Roger Cartridge nomenclature is a study unto itself. Identifying a cartridge comes from many origins. The 45-70 was so named for a 45 Caliber Bullet backed by 70 Grains of powder. The 250-3000 Savage was a 25 Caliber Bullet at the then blazing speed of 3000 fps. The 38-44 was a S&W 38 Special built on their 44 Special Frame. Much like the 44 Special and 45 Colt, the 38 Special was hot-rodded at one time. Life was good before lawyers...
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Post by Encore64 on Sept 24, 2022 21:33:33 GMT -5
"You've sized it up nicely. That's exactly why I went with a Heavy Duty 38 Special. It can be loaded to almost duplicate the 357 Magnum, but reduces easier than the Magnum Length Case..." I use the same load, 358156/158 grains/6.0 Unique in all four of my .38s... S&W Heavy Duty, S&W 67, S&W 649 and a Colt 2.5" Diamondback...reasoning is simple. The Colt steel frame Detective Special was factory rated for .38 Special High Velocity (.38-44) ammo in the 1950s. A Diamondback is nothing but a fancy DS. 649...J-frame...same basic gun is a 942...9mm...as in 30K+ psi...and I'm going to worry my relaods that are probably not even making that are going to blow up my gun...no. 67...there is a 947 9mm K-frame...same reasoning as the the Js... Original .38-44, .38 Special High Speed, had several different loadings by Winchester/Western and Remington/Peters. 150-158 grain bullets were running in the 1115-1150 fps and 110s in the 1350 range from a 5" barrel. Buffalo Bore certifies their .38 Special 158 hardcast Outdoorsman and 158 LSWC-HP-GC for use in ALUMINUM frame snubbies...and they are running 1150 from a 4"...do they have a magic powder... Folks over on the S&W and Cast Boolit forums get their panties all in a wad at the mere mention of .38 Special loads that approach 1000 fps. But not a one of them can explain why the same gun in 9mm/30k psi is just peachy... ...sorry to rant...just one of my pet peeves... I'm 100% onboard with you. I've been "warned" by so many authorities. +P Loads might make it in the wrong gun. Brass was designed for Black Powder. Yada, Yada, Yada... Where do people get these facts? But, agree that people would warm about 38 Special, etc if it was chambered in a BFR...
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Post by bigbore5 on Sept 25, 2022 7:45:47 GMT -5
A BFR in 38sp? That'd be an interesting snubby!
Given the fact that the BFR 357 can easily handle 353 Casull level loads, it would be interesting to see what it would achieve with those pressures in 38 special brass.
As soon as I get some new brass, I just have to find out. Except I will have to either use my 353 Freedom Arms or see this as the perfect excuse to go get another BFR.
I'm sure the Missus will understand that my buying it is purely in the name of science!
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