rocdoc
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Post by rocdoc on Sept 8, 2022 19:59:01 GMT -5
Subie Outback seems the logical choice, Getting from NE TX to NE ID in the winter. Yes, mostly the highways are fine, but not always. I leave my big 4x4 in ID, need an AWD for those times when all is clear, and hit the occasional icy patch
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Post by blacktailslayer on Sept 9, 2022 14:36:03 GMT -5
Just helped our youngest daughter in college buy a 2015 Mazda CX5 that is AWD. It only has a 4 banger but it does have some zoom-zoom behind it, has a "regular" auto trans-no CVT. She has driven over the mountain passes here in Oregon and loves it. She hasn't driven in icy or snowy conditions yet to know how it handles but she will in a few months.
Tried to get her to consider Subs as my wife had an Outback when they came out and she loved that car, however daughter didn't like the current offering as she is pretty short and didn't like how she sat in them. Her boyfriend has one and had driven it and just didn't like it.
Don D.
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Post by rangersedge on Sept 9, 2022 19:25:13 GMT -5
We have had a honda ridgeline for 13 years (2009 model). It has about 175k miles on it. Been a pretty good truck. Love the in bed trunk and the dual swing tailgate. The ride and handling are nice too. Wish it had better 4 wheel drive and more power.
Just bought a BMW x5. Pretty nice suv. Lots of get up and go. Some other suvs have higher reliability ratings.
Have driven a new Toyota rav4 a few hundred miles for work recently. Prefer driving our Honda odyssey van or x5. The rav4 is ok; but isn't as comfortable as either.
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rocdoc
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Post by rocdoc on Sept 9, 2022 20:17:37 GMT -5
I traded in 2 weeks ago for a Wilderness version. YES, that is what I have my eye on! Wife of course does not like the color. It's not like the Subies are truly serious off-roaders, but great for the highways.
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owen67
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Post by owen67 on Sept 9, 2022 20:49:01 GMT -5
Have 4 SUBURU Foresters across the greater family with good success so far. Total mileage on them ranges from over 200k, 130k, 60k and 30k. So far no issues including the CVT transmissions. They were all respectively our first Subarus, we’d always had Hondas and Toyotas or Mazdas before (sedans or trucks). But so far so good, although I too have read that certain years did have ring issues that were addressed. Couple friends with Ridgelines and Pilots all had good luck as well. On some older Hondas the auto transmission is without a doubt suspect. Most if not all models they finally addressed by 5 years ago. Honestly if you want a small/mid size all wheel drive the Japanese makers have it down pat (wouldn’t get a Mitsubishi or Nissan, they seem to have more electrical issues and everything is electrical now). For greatest robustness avoid turbo models. More reliable than they used to be, but they do fail and cost more to fix.
Drive GM and Ford full size trucks but that’s not what you’re asking about.
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rocdoc
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Post by rocdoc on Sept 9, 2022 21:13:11 GMT -5
Wyoming Utah, and Idaho road crews do a pretty good jub of keeping things clear of ice. Not sure if Montana owns any plows in our experience.....still the surpiise patch of ice to us is frightening at 80-90 mph on the highways
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JM
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Post by JM on Sept 10, 2022 16:06:28 GMT -5
Today we test drove a Subaru Crosstek, a Forester & an Outback in that order. All three had the 2.5L engine. The Crosstek appeared small & felt small. Of course it was more responsive as it weighed the least. The Forester felt good, had the most roof height & visibility. The Outback felt more refined & would be preferably for longer drives. She went back & forth between the Forester & Outback before settling on the Outback. #1 most annoying feature... The engine shuts off & re-starts when stopping at an intersection, etc. I would need to figure out how to over-ride that feature.
Next will be the Toyota & Honda lots.
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Post by magman on Sept 10, 2022 16:34:34 GMT -5
Today we test drove a Subaru Crosstek, a Forester & an Outback in that order. All three had the 2.5L engine. The Crosstek appeared small & felt small. Of course it was more responsive as it weighed the least. The Forester felt good, had the most roof height & visibility. The Outback felt more refined & would be preferably for longer drives. She went back & forth between the Forester & Outback before settling on the Outback. #1 most annoying feature... The engine shuts off & re-starts when stopping at an intersection, etc. I would need to figure out how to over-ride that feature. Next will be the Toyota & Honda lots. On my Jeep, there's a button on the console to turn that off. It bothered me at first, now I just leave it alone. Of course, my grandkid had to point that button out to me.
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owen67
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Post by owen67 on Sept 10, 2022 16:37:07 GMT -5
Yeah all cars I think now have that auto shut off garbage. My 2018 Forester doesn’t but my 2021 Chevy dual cab 4x4 z71 does. Hate it. Luckily there’s a button to turn it off, but it resets to the turn off crap every time you fully restart the vehicle. I’ve considered adding another toggle switch to completely override it, but it’s still there if I sell the vehicle.
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Post by Encore64 on Sept 10, 2022 16:42:04 GMT -5
Yeah all cars I think now have that auto shut off garbage. My 2018 Forester doesn’t but my 2021 Chevy dual cab 4x4 z71 does. Hate it. Luckily there’s a button to turn it off, but it resets to the turn off crap every time you fully restart the vehicle. I’ve considered adding another toggle switch to completely override it, but it’s still there if I sell the vehicle. My new Ford PU has it. Bought the module that plugs in under the dash to disable it. Unplug it and back to normal...
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JM
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Post by JM on Sept 10, 2022 17:48:31 GMT -5
The over-ride button is present, but it does reset after restart. Wonder how often starters will need to be replaced.
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jeffh
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Post by jeffh on Sept 10, 2022 18:26:53 GMT -5
If you're looking at Subaru,...
Make damned sure it's not the 2000 - 200? 2.5 DOG, which didn't get any better mileage than a Jeep Cherokee with the HP 4.0L and couldn't pass a guy on a bicycle.
The heads leaked coolant and there was no fix. Subaru went as far as to add sound-deadening insulation to the plastic splash guard under the engine compartment - YES, really. What? To protect the road from the engine noise?? NO! To absorb the leaking coolant until the warranty expired! They sent us a notice saying we HAD to bring it in for a special coolant additive only THEY could add or the warranty would be voided. Didn't even sound legal to me, but we obliged. Years later, I asked the maintenance supervisor what this "special coolant additive" was. "Bars Leak" was his answer. I saw it the first time I changed the coolant and was concerned. We WERE very loyal Subaru owners prior to that debacle, and Subaru did everything they could to get out of fixing that problem. They lied and cheated customers so they wouldn't have to fix it - because there was NO FIX.
Sorry, but I just got another "Extend the LOVE" promotion from Subaru this week, and I've not owned on in eleven years and never will again. I've asked at least a hundred times to be taken off their mailing list, but they arrogantly ignore my requests. Every tine I get one of those promotional mailings, it reminds me of the thousands of dollars they screwed every owner of that engine out of. Lucky for us, someone driving in the wrong lane clipped the front end at an intersection and totaled the car. I called again this week and told them that every time I get a promotional mailing from them it reminds me to tell people how they treat their customers, and I did - THREE TIMES this week alone.
I'm not sure what I'd buy today, but never again will I buy a Subaru. Shame too, because t hey had some marvelous engineering at one time.
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owen67
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Post by owen67 on Sept 10, 2022 20:09:20 GMT -5
Jeff sorry to hear that. SUBURU shot remarkably POOR mileage for the longest time, part of why I didn’t buy one until a few years ago. Gutless then as well, and some years had head or ring issues. I’ve had issues myself with certain brands that folks swear by but will never buy again/ I do understand. The new 2.5 is 180hp and about same torque. Won’t win races but it’s not the dog it once was. If I use cruise control on level ground at 75 I get 30mpg. It’s got a CVT, which is a new thing for me, but mine has paddle shifters so I can drive it like a manual if I like. Bought it as a commuter with the extra safety stuff plus their good crash rating. After many back surgeries after a crash,not working or barely walking for a few years (much better now) my family insisted I get highest safety I could get in my budget. That year Subaru was far ahead at that price. The turbo 2.0XT moves a lot quicker but I wanted better longevity and gas mileage for a 65mile round trip commute.
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jeffh
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Post by jeffh on Sept 10, 2022 20:16:15 GMT -5
Owen, I won't deny they have had some great stuff, and have stepped it up on performance in some models. Can't take that away from them. The '88 I had was the easiest car I ever had to work on - everything made sense and was easy to get to.
I just figure if they made such a huge mistake once, and did to their customers what they did - they are capable of doing it again.
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owen67
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Post by owen67 on Sept 11, 2022 10:45:29 GMT -5
Yup I get it. I had a Chevy van, back to the dealer 17 times first year. They never took care of me either. Didn’t get another vehicle fro Them for 15 years. But now at mid fifties and big family, every major maker has screwed one of with the exception of Toyota. Good wishes and fortune to all on here with any of their vehicles. Such a major expense at todays prices, and also much more difficult to repair at home than those made up until the early eighties. At least now we can pull computer codes to see what might be causing issues.
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