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Post by Encore64 on Sept 7, 2022 15:35:20 GMT -5
Got my last two guns from Clements today. First one I'm going to review is the Single Six 38-44.
This is an incredible piece of ingenuity. Well thought out and executed.
More after Tim posts pictures...
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Post by tdbarton on Sept 7, 2022 17:05:27 GMT -5
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Post by Encore64 on Sept 7, 2022 17:16:02 GMT -5
Thanks Tim...
First thing I noticed is the very thick cylinder chamber walls. A few have cautioned against this, but I have to disagree.
This cylinder is larger than a S&W 19 or Colt King Cobra by a good margin. Plus, this 17-4 hardened to 42 is far stronger than the 410 Series used by most production guns.
Another thing is the lock notches are offset on these guns and 90° on the S&W 19. This thing will hold some serious pressure.
Barrel is 6.5" as it just works for me.
Action is double blocked for extra tight lockup and durability.
Dave honed the throats for his .358+ Gauge which is perfect for cast bullets.
Some won't like the two-toned look, but I do...
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Post by jack on Sept 7, 2022 17:28:14 GMT -5
I think that gun could be dangerous! You should send it to me for a few months of serious research - you know, just to keep you safe . . .
I think that is a thing of beauty, can't wait to hear how it shoots!
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Post by kevshell on Sept 7, 2022 17:28:59 GMT -5
Me likey. Congratulations.
I have one in the que awaiting a similar set up. You should have some fun with that one.
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Post by Encore64 on Sept 7, 2022 17:36:24 GMT -5
I appreciate it guys...
The barrel gap is quite tight. Thinnest feeler gauge I have is a .0015" and it's a no-go. This thing is tight.
With loads developed for these guns, I expect a 158 @ 1300 fps and a 180 @ 1200 fps. Sufficient from a Single Six Platform. This one is a true Single Six too...
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Post by Encore64 on Sept 7, 2022 17:57:55 GMT -5
For Reference...
Clements 38-44 Cylinder 1.460" O.D.
S&W 19 Cylinder 1.446" O.D.
Colt King Cobra Cylinder 1.397" O.D.
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Post by leadhound on Sept 7, 2022 18:02:15 GMT -5
Only .200" shy of a Ruger OM 357.
Looks like a real shooter Huey!
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Post by Encore64 on Sept 7, 2022 18:10:18 GMT -5
Only .200" shy of a Ruger OM 357. Looks like a real shooter Huey! Thanks Asa... Many will point out that other steels can be hardened to hold the pressure. No doubt true, but some is just stronger than others. Much can be learned by reading how Ruger developed the SRHs in 454 Casull and 480 Ruger. Ditto on their 5-Shot SBHs so chambered. Clements, Ronnie Wells, Jack Huntington, etc all pointed me towards 17-4. Their knowledge far exceeds mine. If it's good enough for Freedom Arms and Magnum Research BFRs, it's good enough for me... |
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Post by bushog on Sept 7, 2022 18:26:36 GMT -5
Turned out nicely!
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Post by blacktalon on Sept 7, 2022 20:23:14 GMT -5
First thing I noticed is the very thick cylinder chamber walls. A few have cautioned against this, Why? |
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Post by Encore64 on Sept 7, 2022 20:26:32 GMT -5
First thing I noticed is the very thick cylinder chamber walls. A few have cautioned against this, Why? I worded that poorly. A few have recommended against building Six Shot 38s on the Single Six Frame. But, there's plenty of steel left for safety. As I've pointed out, considerably more than many production revolvers. Good catch and I appreciate you pointing this out... |
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Post by owen67 on Sept 7, 2022 22:24:52 GMT -5
Dang that is fantastic.
Truly mean that, I love the thought of .357 power in a 6 shot single action that is on this petite action size.
Really liked your 5 shot souped up 45 AR you posted in the other thread as well. You are living my best life haha!
I think using a top performing steel for the cylinder is great.
Seeing how beefy it is I don’t understand them directly steering you in that direction tho? As an engineer I always wonder such things.
Their answer may even be “just because I know damn well it will NEVER blow”. I’ve designed things like that. When you can, and the price isn’t radically increased I actually prefer to go that route, especially on one-offs. You don’t always have the resources in time and R&D so it’s much easier and safer to go that route.
Then again there very well could be something in the single six’s cylinders details that makes the use of 17-4 very prudent. Sorry for rambling, it’s who I am.
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Post by Encore64 on Sept 8, 2022 5:38:14 GMT -5
Owen, no problem...
I'm not saying the 17-4 was required. It was just the choice I made on the 38-44. Certainly 4140 and a host of other steels would have worked.
On the 45 AR Cylinder, it was more or less done to distinguish between the two.
"Just who you (we) are" is plenty good enough. It's what makes us and this site unique.
Many have rightfully questioned my sanity for building custom revolvers in old hyphenated and antiquated cartridges when a Whizbang Super Magnum would have cost the same. But, as you say, it's just who I am.
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Post by owen67 on Sept 8, 2022 10:03:34 GMT -5
Encore I took from your previous posts you didn’t think it was a must, but that the custom smiths recommended it as prudent.👍
My post was really my own mental gyrations escaping into our forum.
I did think of one thing that behooves the premium cylinder: the smaller case capacity cartridge and the appropriate powders for getting optimal performance are not as forging as the very slow powders with a cavernous case. Also, the published information is less, this you may do more experimentation. I like it, as said previously. Some times a belt with your suspenders is in order!
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