owen67
.30 Stingray
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Post by owen67 on Jul 27, 2022 10:14:41 GMT -5
Who else appreciates these old guns? Two in our family, a 25/3000 from the 40s, and a .308 from the 60s. The quarter bore with open sights, and the 308 with old Weaver 2.5 (I think).
Can’t use my 250 for deer here in CA, they pulled the lead free nonsense on us, and the twist is between 1/14 and 1/15” and all the monolithic boolits are just too long to stabilize. I guess I could have Maker custom turn some fairly blunt 75gr to try…..
There were rumors at different times of one of the newer Savage CEOs working to bring it back, and heard tall tales of Ruger doing it. Nada, nothing, never saw anything in walnut and steel.
Seems Ruger with their advanced casting ability has the best chance of making it doable, even if as a subcontractor for the receivers. However, certain types of rapid machining etc could make it viable from billet. We can be sure no maker will invest these days in new drop forging equipment, at least until they saw real potential on return (I don’t think it’s there, or necessary these days).
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Post by potatojudge on Jul 27, 2022 10:52:48 GMT -5
I really appreciate how the handles and 99 feeds. Very slick mechanism. I don't see them being made again for economic reasons, but there's lots of them out there and rebarreling is always an option. hammerbullets.com/product/257-cal-67g-shock-hammer/Might give this bullet a try.
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Post by magnumwheelman on Jul 27, 2022 11:08:13 GMT -5
I would guess the 308 cartridge to be upper limit of what it can handle... I had issues with one I inherteted that wouldn't feed properly... it was well used, & I couldn't find a smith that could fix it, before letting it go... loved the feel of the rifle, cartridge counter feature, & the fact that you could run pointed bullets through the action
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Post by potatojudge on Jul 27, 2022 11:41:48 GMT -5
It came in 284 as well, which has a bit more oomph than the 308 family.
The limitations then became the width of the action needed to house fatter cartridges (the 284 used a different magazine carrier than the 308 class rounds) and the length of the action/magazine.
My only 99 is a Dave Tooley built 6.5-284. He's a top tier smith, and even then the trigger is about 4 lbs. The other issue is magazine length- the 284 family can't take advantage of heavy for caliber bullets, so lose a lot of the advantage over the 308 family. Mine is throated for 120 grain bullets.
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Post by 45MAN on Jul 27, 2022 13:01:52 GMT -5
FOR SEVERAL YEARS I ACCUMULATED 99's. I HAVE A 1913 OR SO PERCH BELLY IN 250-3000 IN GOOD CONDITION AND NO XTRA HOLES, ADD ON BUTT PAD OR OTHER SACRILIGIOUS MODS, ALSO A TAKE DOWN IN 303 SAVAGE (ALSO IN ORIGINAL CONDITION) THAT I SCOPED USING THE VINTAGE STITH NO D&T MOUNT, A COUPLE OF 30-30's AND A COUPLE OF 22 SAVAGE HIGH POWERS, 1 OF WHICH I SCOPED, AGAIN USING THE STITH MOUNT, AND SHOT A BIG ASS HOG WITH. ALSO, I HAVE A 1950's FACTORY D&T'ed IN 300 SAVAGE, AND A RELATIVE RECENTLY GIFTED ME A AN OLD SADDLE RING CARBINE IN 303 SAVAGE.
IF YOU WANT TO SCOPE THE PRE-FACTORY D&T'ed GUNS, AND NOT DESTROY THEIR COLLECTIBILITY/ORIGINAL CONDITION BY D&T'ing THE GUN, THERE IS A FELLOW, WHISE NAME I NO NOT RECALL AT THIS MOMENT, WHO OFFERS STITH TYPE MOUNT FOR USE WITH MODERN SCOPES. MOST OF THE OLD STITH MOUNTS WERE FOR SUB 1" IN DIAMETER SCOPES.
ADDED: 7/27/22: OOOPS, I FORGOT, I ALSO HAVE A HIGHLY "CUSTOMIZED" 99 IN 250 SAVAGE, ZILCH COLLECTOR VALUE.
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owen67
.30 Stingray
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Savage 99
Jul 27, 2022 14:49:20 GMT -5
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Post by owen67 on Jul 27, 2022 14:49:20 GMT -5
Yeah my 250 has no collector value. Reblued before I got it (nice job) EXCEPT they also blued the CC lever! It’s not D&T, but the stock was cut way short and a sissy pad added. Someone also shoddily added sling swivels cattywhampus.
99s are “springy”. I’d say 50-55kpsi should be max for them. As beautiful as many are/were, I’ve seen multiples with grossly oversized OR off axis chambers.
To the poster on the lightweight monolithic bullets, I’ll check those out thanks!
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ericp
.327 Meteor
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Post by ericp on Jul 28, 2022 17:57:04 GMT -5
I've had several in 22 Hi Power, now only a solid frame with 24" barrel remains of those. It's a fantastic "walking varminter". I also have an early carbine in 303 Savage that I greatly enjoy.
Eric
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tj3006
.375 Atomic
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Post by tj3006 on Jul 28, 2022 20:16:52 GMT -5
my Deer rifle, Is a 99F from 1959 or 60. I used to hand load for it, it doted on a 150 grain Speer hot core over W-748. But Brass stretches' pretty bad so I just shoot factory ammo now. But It will put 3 rounds into just about an inch, Usually about 1.25, but the barrel heats up quick. I have had a bunch of them over the years. One I wish I had back is a 358 Winchester. But Truth be told, the Good old .308 is all the cartridge a guy needs for deer hunting. The Clip fed 99s are a much more caliber friendly option. I knew a guy who had some custom 99-Cs Built in 6mm and the ..257 Roberts. He could not do much with bullets over 100 grain in the Roberts cause he had to seat them to deep. I would jump on a 99-F in 300 savage if it was an older one with the lever safety. ...tj
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rhino
.30 Stingray
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Post by rhino on Jul 29, 2022 3:28:17 GMT -5
my Deer rifle, Is a 99F from 1959 or 60. I used to hand load for it, it doted on a 150 grain Speer hot core over W-748. But Brass stretches' pretty bad so I just shoot factory ammo now. But It will put 3 rounds into just about an inch, Usually about 1.25, but the barrel heats up quick. I have had a bunch of them over the years. One I wish I had back is a 358 Winchester. But Truth be told, the Good old .308 is all the cartridge a guy needs for deer hunting. The Clip fed 99s are a much more caliber friendly option. I knew a guy who had some custom 99-Cs Built in 6mm and the ..257 Roberts. He could not do much with bullets over 100 grain in the Roberts cause he had to seat them to deep. I would jump on a 99-F in 300 savage if it was an older one with the lever safety. ...tj I have a Model 99F with safety on the lever chambered in 300 Savage. Also has the Marble's tang rear sight. I haven't quite figured out using the tang sight but the standard Sights work well too. Fast handling and my favorite lever gun. Rhino
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Post by 45MAN on Jul 29, 2022 6:28:12 GMT -5
I've had several in 22 Hi Powe, now only a solid frame with 24" barrel remains of those. It's a fantastic "walking varminter". I also have an early carbine in 303 Savage that I greatly enjoy. Eric BACK IN THE EARLY PART OF THE 21st CENTURY, I WAS IN ZIMBABWE ON SAFARI AND EARD FROM MY PH (PROFESSIONAL HUNTER) OF A FELLOW PH WHO WORKED AROUND LAKE KARIBA, AND USED A SAVAGEE 99 IN 22 SAVAGE HP AS HIS IMPALA CULLING RIFLE.
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Post by pacecars on Jul 29, 2022 7:02:31 GMT -5
FOR SEVERAL YEARS I ACCUMULATED 99's. I HAVE A 1913 OR SO PERCH BELLY IN 250-3000 IN GOOD CONDITION AND NO XTRA HOLES, ADD ON BUTT PAD OR OTHER SACRILIGIOUS MODS, ALSO A TAKE DOWN IN 303 SAVAGE (ALSO IN ORIGINAL CONDITION) THAT I SCOPED USING THE VINTAGE STITH NO D&T MOUNT, A COUPLE OF 30-30's AND A COUPLE OF 22 SAVAGE HIGH POWERS, 1 OF WHICH I SCOPED, AGAIN USING THE STITH MOUNT, AND SHOT A BIG ASS HOG WITH. ALSO, I HAVE A 1950's FACTORY D&T'ed IN 300 SAVAGE, AND A RELATIVE RECENTLY GIFTED ME A AN OLD SADDLE RING CARBINE IN 303 SAVAGE. IF YOU WANT TO SCOPE THE PRE-FACTORY D&T'ed GUNS, AND NOT DESTROY THEIR COLLECTIBILITY/ORIGINAL CONDITION BY D&T'ing THE GUN, THERE IS A FELLOW, WHISE NAME I NO NOT RECALL AT THIS MOMENT, WHO OFFERS STITH TYPE MOUNT FOR USE WITH MODERN SCOPES. MOST OF THE OLD STITH MOUNTS WERE FOR SUB 1" IN DIAMETER SCOPES. ADDED: 7/27/22: OOOPS, I FORGOT, I ALSO HAVE A HIGHLY "CUSTOMIZED" 99 IN 250 SAVAGE, ZILCH COLLECTOR VALUE. He goes by Lightfoot on 24hourcampfire.com and the mount is excellent, I have had a couple
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Post by squawberryman on Jul 30, 2022 6:38:04 GMT -5
In the movie Joe Kidd, Eastwood shoots Frank Harlan in the end and kills him. As he's shot, Harlan (Robert Duvall) drops the most ornate 99 (factory) I've ever seen.
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Post by rleprechaun on Jul 31, 2022 22:09:09 GMT -5
I bought a custom 125 aniversey savage 110 in 250 Savage. When I booked the 110 I asked about the 99. They said NO. My dad killed many deer with a 99 in 300 Savage.
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Post by parallaxbill on Aug 1, 2022 14:41:20 GMT -5
I had a 99E in 308. It shot okay but not as well as any other of my deer rifles at the time. I free floated the forend for a fair improvement but ended up selling it to a buddy before I tested it further. In my opinion they are an interesting rifle and I would not turn away from a decently priced, higher grade, earlier model than the "economy" grade 99E.
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Post by parallaxbill on Aug 1, 2022 14:45:10 GMT -5
In the movie Joe Kidd, Eastwood shoots Frank Harlan in the end and kills him. As he's shot, Harlan (Robert Duvall) drops the most ornate 99 (factory) I've ever seen. That one was beautiful!
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