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Post by rjm52 on Jun 1, 2022 8:12:19 GMT -5
Back before there were many jacketed bullets, Speer had a basically Keith SWC with the bearing surface in a cup type jacket. They were available in .357 (146 HP and 160 SP), .410 (200 HP and 220 SP) and .429 (225 HP and 240 SP). No .45s were available for some reason.
I shot a lot of the .357/146 HP from a Model 19 and tons of the 200 grain .410 bullets from various .41 Magnums...and some of the 220s but not near as many.
These bullets were tough. The nose would melt off and the ashcan that was left would just keep on penetrating. The jacket did not open at all. The only difference between the SP and HP was how fast the nose melted off.
In 2003 I was on a western motorcycle trip and stopped to see an old friend from Dallas, Alan Jones, who was then with Speer and editor of their reloading manual. Alan gave me a tour of the factory and showed me the machine that those bullets were made on....there was just one machine all that time and he said it was on it's last legs...and when it could no longer be repaired the bullet line would end...and a few years later such was the case...
Was able to amass about a 1000 of both kinds of .41 bullets...today I loaded the last 650 .410/220 JSWC-SPs with 9.0 grains of Unique...that should give right at 1100 fps from a 4" gun... Being a deep penetrator without a lot of recoil it will make a nice woods walking round when used with my S&W 4" guns or the 4.2" Redhawk...
Going to miss those bullets...
Bob
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Post by x101airborne on Jun 2, 2022 6:58:29 GMT -5
If you are referring to the "half jacket" style, I have collected some mainly in .357 for shooting coyotes if I ever get back to that. They are some great bullets.
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Post by bamagreg on Jun 2, 2022 8:52:21 GMT -5
I have a small stash of 41's and 44's. I mostly just shoot cast anymore though
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Post by taffin on Jun 2, 2022 9:09:55 GMT -5
Back before there were many jacketed bullets, Speer had a basically Keith SWC with the bearing surface in a cup type jacket. They were available in .357 (146 HP and 160 SP), .410 (200 HP and 220 SP) and .429 (225 HP and 240 SP). No .45s were available for some reason. I shot a lot of the .357/146 HP from a Model 19 and tons of the 200 grain .410 bullets from various .41 Magnums...and some of the 220s but not near as many. These bullets were tough. The nose would melt off and the ashcan that was left would just keep on penetrating. The jacket did not open at all. The only difference between the SP and HP was how fast the nose melted off. In 2003 I was on a western motorcycle trip and stopped to see an old friend from Dallas, Alan Jones, who was then with Speer and editor of their reloading manual. Alan gave me a tour of the factory and showed me the machine that those bullets were made on....there was just one machine all that time and he said it was on it's last legs...and when it could no longer be repaired the bullet line would end...and a few years later such was the case... Was able to amass about a 1000 of both kinds of .41 bullets...today I loaded the last 650 .410/220 JSWC-SPs with 9.0 grains of Unique...that should give right at 1100 fps from a 4" gun... Being a deep penetrator without a lot of recoil it will make a nice woods walking round when used with my S&W 4" guns or the 4.2" Redhawk... Going to miss those bullets... Bob SOME OF MY FAVORITE BULLETS--STILL HAVE A VERY FEW .41 AND .44 LEFT |
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Post by bula on Jun 2, 2022 9:13:17 GMT -5
Me and my 44spec Bulldog miss the 225gr HP. Sigh. I've mentioned it here several times.
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Post by sixshot on Jun 2, 2022 10:46:50 GMT -5
I know that a lot of Armadillos hated them back in the 60's. Think they were $2.67 a box at Gibson's in Sherman, Texas.
Dick
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Post by potatojudge on Jun 2, 2022 11:30:47 GMT -5
I know that a lot of Armadillos hated them back in the 60's. Think they were $2.67 a box at Gibson's in Sherman, Texas. Dick I think my mom worked at that store in the mid 70s. Dad's old sherpa lined suede shotgun case was bought cheap as a returned item from there. I'm lucky the Gibson's in my hometown is still open and doing great. They've been my powder source since my first pound of 4064. |
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Post by matt56 on Jun 2, 2022 11:37:46 GMT -5
I have a box of 41 cal, I can’t remember what weight. I’m hesitant to shoot them because once they’re gone that’s it
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Post by z1r on Jun 2, 2022 11:48:37 GMT -5
I shot a lot of those in my SBH. Switched to mostly case but when I wanted a jacketed bullet, the HP SJ was my go to.
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Post by taffin on Jun 2, 2022 13:04:32 GMT -5
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Post by taffin on Jun 2, 2022 13:11:46 GMT -5
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Post by rjm52 on Jun 2, 2022 14:27:05 GMT -5
The last box opened and loaded was an old paper one that had metal reinforced corners...$6.95.The rest of them were plastic boxes that I bought off a local "used" rack at $15.00 a box..
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Post by squawberryman on Jun 2, 2022 16:41:50 GMT -5
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Post by jeffh on Jun 2, 2022 16:49:57 GMT -5
I remember buying the 44s for $6/100. I only ever shot them in the 3" Bulldog and they shot fine.
I've not shot a jacketed bullet in a handgun for a long, long time but those are the ones I shot when I did.
Shame that everything has to appeal to the ignorance of those who won't bother to do even just a little research. Plain ol' bullets that just work are about as out of vogue as.... plain ol' anything that just works. If it doesn't claim some magical properties based on unrelated comparisons, it'll go extinct these days.
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Post by taffin on Jun 2, 2022 17:08:13 GMT -5
I have a box of 41 cal, I can’t remember what weight. I’m hesitant to shoot them because once they’re gone that’s it WHATY GOOD ARE THEY UN-SHOT? |
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