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Post by bradshaw on May 31, 2022 8:19:02 GMT -5
Nice... I sold off most of my milsurp collection, including my Garand, 2 years ago... I got to look over the salute rifles at the memorial service yesterday, talked to, & thanked the guys for their service, handling them... the rifles seemed to have a plug, with maybe a 17 caliber hole in the end of the barrel... anyone know if these are salute only rifles??? the plug didn't appear easily removable so they may have been tuned to only be able to semi auto fire blanks... ***** A thick washer welded in the muzzle may be to function mechanism with blanks. While in Rome, Italy a half-century ago to do some dynamite work, got a tour of a movie prop facility. Racks of rifles, pistols, machine guns for war movies. Noticed numerous machine guns, submachine guns, and auto pistols with the bore restriction/stopper you describe. Suspect this wouldn’t work so well with paper wad blanks, instead requiring a crimped-neck blank. Revolvers for western movies----did not see a Colt----had no such bore obstruction. David Bradshaw |
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Post by parallaxbill on May 31, 2022 10:25:32 GMT -5
Back in the early 90's I killed an old whitetail buck in South Carolina with a commercial Federal Ordnance M1 "Tanker" chambered in .308. It was a nice handling, accurate rifle but very loud.
If I can locate the old picture files that show the rifle I will post them in this thread.
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Post by parallaxbill on May 31, 2022 10:29:09 GMT -5
About the photos above.
You may see some of them posted on some gun related websites. The originals are all mine but quite a few people have "borrowed" them without permission.
So is the way of the internet.
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Post by nicholst55 on May 31, 2022 16:18:15 GMT -5
I happily defer to Bruce Canfield's expertise. I don't claim to have anything rare but there must have been a commercial Tanker at some point. Here's mine...nothing special but I haven't seen another one. Click on photos to enlarge them. <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> A number of gunsmiths and firms made small numbers of their proprietary version of the "Tanker" M1s over the years. One of the more elegant looking versions is the Mini-G, made by Shuff's Parkerizing. It also comes with a lifetime warranty. Shuff's Mini-G |
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Post by bula on Jun 3, 2022 7:39:56 GMT -5
Oh ! 308 and 35 Whelen barrels available. Nice ! Am not in the market, but a nice link shared, thanks.
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Post by nicholst55 on Jun 3, 2022 9:59:40 GMT -5
Oh ! 308 and 35 Whelen barrels available. Nice ! Am not in the market, but a nice link shared, thanks. I believe that if you check, you'll see that he actually has very little in stock. |
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Post by Lee Martin on Jun 3, 2022 10:14:10 GMT -5
Wonderful collection you have there. My dad converted an M1 to .35 Whelen years ago. The barrel blank came from Gene Barnett. It's quite a thumper. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Chasing perfection five shots at a time" |
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Post by greenchile on Jun 3, 2022 14:39:31 GMT -5
Oooo...35 Whelen Garand...what's not to like about that?
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Post by nicholst55 on Jun 3, 2022 15:44:58 GMT -5
There was an outfit converting M1s to .338 Win Mag and even .458 Win Mag several years ago - McCann Industries. I ran a web search but they didn't come up, so not sure if they're still around or not.
ETA: Looks like Mr. McCann passed away in 2010, and the business seems to have gone away.
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Post by greenchile on Jun 3, 2022 15:46:57 GMT -5
I remember that too but thought there were reports of long-term issues with them.
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Post by parallaxbill on Jun 3, 2022 17:23:47 GMT -5
This may seem a bit weird but I'd love to have a Garand chambered in 6.5x55 Swede. 6.5 Creedmore too but the Garand might be better suited for the longer cartridge and in this man's opinion the Creedmore does little the Swede couldn't do just as well. I'm just not sure that the enbloc clips would work.
I might just check that since the Swede and 30-06 have very similar head sizes.
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Post by nicholst55 on Jun 3, 2022 20:44:22 GMT -5
How about 6.5-06 A-Square? Back in the day before M96 Swedish Mausers were common in this country, RCBS used to assure anyone that asked that they would shoot their eye out if they used .30-06 based brass to form 6.5X55 because of the slight difference in case head diameter. IIRC, it's about a .007" difference. RCBS assured you that the sun would fall out of the sky, the rain would stop, the wheat and corn would die in the fields, and you would blow up your rifle. Once the M96 Swedes flooded in and Remington and Winchester began manufacturing the 6.5X55 on standard .473" .30-06 head size brass and nobody blew their gun up using that ammo and brass, you never heard another word about it. Would the larger diameter 6.5X55 feed from an en-bloc clip (assuming that you used Norma or RWS brass)? Could you even force eight rounds into one? I dunno; never tried, don't have any Swede stuff to test it out with, but I'd be surprised if it didn't work. If it didn't, then I'm right back at my initial question - how about 6.5-06?
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Post by bula on Jun 4, 2022 7:37:29 GMT -5
Where legal and the critters huntable, think in the shorty in 35 Whelen would be a slick bear/moose gun. Of no use to me here, Oh/Penn..
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Post by bradshaw on Jun 4, 2022 7:46:58 GMT -5
There was an outfit converting M1s to .338 Win Mag and even .458 Win Mag several years ago - McCann Industries. I ran a web search but they didn't come up, so not sure if they're still around or not. ETA: Looks like Mr. McCann passed away in 2010, and the business seems to have gone away.***** Cannot imagine trying to chamber an M1 Garand for a belted magnum. John Garand designed around the .30-06 with medium burn powders. Slow powder such as IMR 4350 would be hard on the system. A magnum jigger of slow powder should really TWANG the operating rod and hammer the bolt back in the receiver. Neither receiver nor bolt are configured for astronomical loading. While, in my experience, reliability of the Browning BAR (hunting rifle, not Browning Automatic Rifle!), is nowhere near the Garand, the Browning is designed for high pressure hunting cartridges. I got excellent accuracy from a BAR .338 Win Mag out to 400 yards, but ultimately did not trust it like my .338’s in Ruger M-77, SAKO L61, and USRAC Winchester M-70. Believe Springfield Armory----we’re talking government arsenal in Massachusetts----experimented with a .276 M1, but the approach of WW II doomed development. Gen. Julian Hatcher made mention but skimped on detail. It may have been the U.S. Navy discovered great accuracy and reliability of an M1 in .308 Win/7.62x51mm. Seems the Marines wouldn’t let the Navy rifle team have M-14’s, so the Navy rebarreled the Garand. Springfield Armory probably had done most of the homework, but the navy proved the .308 is a great cartridge in the M1, as the op rod last longer and the rifle heats more slowly than in .30-06, and the gas cylinder is less likely to loosen. When Lee said his dad made a .35 Whelan M1, I thought, Well, that guy is very thoughtful in his experiments and in considerations of pressure; he may be on to something. A Garand in .35 Whelan might be quite the homesteader arrangement. Then too, providing it feeds and doesn’t batter the action, the .30-06 stoked with Hornady 220 Round Nose might keeps the paws off. Rapid fire is not a substitute for outright POWER, but together speak their own lingo. David Bradshaw |
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Post by parallaxbill on Jun 4, 2022 15:05:36 GMT -5
How about 6.5-06 A-Square? Back in the day before M96 Swedish Mausers were common in this country, RCBS used to assure anyone that asked that they would shoot their eye out if they used .30-06 based brass to form 6.5X55 because of the slight difference in case head diameter. IIRC, it's about a .007" difference. RCBS assured you that the sun would fall out of the sky, the rain would stop, the wheat and corn would die in the fields, and you would blow up your rifle. Once the M96 Swedes flooded in and Remington and Winchester began manufacturing the 6.5X55 on standard .473" .30-06 head size brass and nobody blew their gun up using that ammo and brass, you never heard another word about it. Would the larger diameter 6.5X55 feed from an en-bloc clip (assuming that you used Norma or RWS brass)? Could you even force eight rounds into one? I dunno; never tried, don't have any Swede stuff to test it out with, but I'd be surprised if it didn't work. If it didn't, then I'm right back at my initial question - how about 6.5-06? Definitely something to consider. I'll try 8 rounds of 6.5 Swede in a Garand clip ( for fit) this weekend and see what happens. I like the lower pressure of the Swede and lesser felt recoil. I'm sure it's been attempted but I just like the idea of a flat shooting soft recoiling M1. |
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