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Post by bushog on Mar 26, 2022 16:39:27 GMT -5
When did Ruger start putting 2pc barrels on Redhawks?  |
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Post by Fowler on Mar 26, 2022 17:08:11 GMT -5
Is that a 2pc barrel or a step machined into the end of the barrel that squares up the front of the sight base? I can’t tell from the picture.
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Post by bushog on Mar 26, 2022 17:16:38 GMT -5
Is that a 2pc barrel or a step machined into the end of the barrel that squares up the front of the sight base? I can’t tell from the picture. From a trustworthy source they're two piece like the S&Ws or DWs. Was inquiring about a project and was warned not to buy one of the new ones because of this.Nothing wrong with them, just can't shorten the barrel. I finally took some time to see what they were talking about and there it is... |
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Post by bradshaw on Mar 26, 2022 18:44:41 GMT -5
“.... two piece like the S&Ws or DWs. Was inquiring about a project and was warned not to buy one of the new ones because of this. Nothing wrong with them, just can't shorten the barrel.
----bushog
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You may be conceptually correct about certain Dan Wesson revolvers aimed at the police market, with 2-piece barrel assembly made specifically to prevent disassembly. would call those a SLEEVED BARREL. The sporting revolver made by Dan Wesson Arms has a SHROUDED BARREL----designed for removal, interchangeability, and adjustment.
Two piece barrel assembly
* Barrel & shroud----interchangeable.
* Barrel & sleeve----permanent.
David Bradshaw
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Post by bushog on Mar 26, 2022 19:07:08 GMT -5
“.... two piece like the S&Ws or DWs. Was inquiring about a project and was warned not to buy one of the new ones because of this. Nothing wrong with them, just can't shorten the barrel. ----bushog ***** You may be conceptually correct about certain Dan Wesson revolvers aimed at the police market, with 2-piece barrel assembly made specifically to prevent disassembly. would call those a SLEEVED BARREL. The sporting revolver made by Dan Wesson Arms has a SHROUDED BARREL----designed for removal, interchangeability, and adjustment. Two piece barrel assembly* Barrel & shroud----interchangeable. * Barrel & sleeve----permanent. David Bradshaw Do you know what assembly the Redhawk barrels are? |
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Post by bradshaw on Mar 26, 2022 20:05:03 GMT -5
"Do you know what assembly the Redhawk barrels are?” ***** Pure speculation: suspect Ruger makes the barrels on a rotary hammer forge and cuts three, maybe four, barrels from the blank. No idea how they are assembled. Seems a process to save coin might eliminate THREAD TIMING. But I don’t know, nor whether it can be disassembled without damage. Doubt the switch from traditional barrel fitting costs more. Redhawk vs Super RedhawkBiggest mistake in the Redhawk is the single coil spring to drive hammer & rebound trigger. I do not think the Super Redhawk was introduced to correct the Redhawk single action pull, designed for minimum 3-1/4 pound letoff. Rather, the SRH incorporated the ejector and scope mounting in the frame, while allowing for a round, hammer-forged barrel. Barrel* Original Redhawk----barrel starts as a vendor-supplied raw drop forging. which Ruger machines, gun drills, and rifles via pull-through broach. Same process traditional to S&W, except S&W had its own drop forging foundry. * New Redhawk----barrel sleeve may be an extrusion (speculation). Or, machined from bar stock (more tool time). Either way, sleeve must be drilled, just not rifled. Note: Dan Wesson barrels may have had several sources, including George Wilson in Connecticut, and perhaps the factory in Monson, Massachusetts. Pull-through broach. From a manufacturing angle, the big “improvements” to the SRH are: 1) Round barrel----Ruger’s hammer forging machine. 2) Grip spike----eliminates polishing of back strap, front strap, butt. Sleeved barrelAs with all barrel fitting, the devil is in the detail. While a product improvement often is an improvement, “improvement” may be a euphemism for “costs less." David Bradshaw |
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Post by contender on Mar 26, 2022 21:53:22 GMT -5
I think the sleeved barreled Redhawks started about 3 years ago. I'd have to dig into my notes to make sure.
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Post by ezekiel38 on Mar 27, 2022 16:28:08 GMT -5
I was working in an LGS 2019 and I was seeing press releases from Ruger with the soon coming 2 piece barrels. As an aside I purchased a Model 69 4" in late 2014 with a two piece barrel and it suffers no thread choke and it is superbly accurate. I liked the 4" 69 so well I just purchased the 2.75" model earlier this month. The 2.75"is a great packing revolver. When I say "great packing revolver" it includes excellent sights, grip options and superior accuracy with a variety of loads. Both weapons have the two piece barrels. I would purchase a two piece barrel from Ruger without a second thought, as to reliability or function. The only downside for me with any 2 piece revolver barrel is viewing it from the muzzle end, but I try to avoid that view. Lock has been removed since this photo. 5 shots of 44 Magnum on an L frame size, is really nice as I have a 33" waist and space is a premium. The L frame is just handier for me. N frames are large.  DA at 50 ft with 200 XTPS at 1,100fps  |
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Post by rkcohen on Mar 28, 2022 12:45:09 GMT -5
a gentleman over on rugerforum.net talked about this not long ago.
having been involved "on the line" at ruger for several years he has been a wealth of knowledge ref all things ruger.
as with most things in industry, production costs drive a lot of decision making.
"back in the day" the two piece barrel for the dan wesson gun was a selling point, offering capability.
today, it is simply to cut costs - at first it doesn't look like much, then you notice the front sight is no loger easily interchanchable - the machining of the front hole, the plunge cut for the bottom of the sight blade, the spring and the front sight plunger have all been omitted.
now, it's a dovetail and shove in a fixed blade.
it all adds up when thousands of guns are made.....
at first this may seem like an opportunity for everyone wanting a redhawk to have a revolver with a .005" flash gap, sadly, taking my feeler gauge to the richmond gun show this weekend proved me wrong.....
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Post by nirvana91 on Mar 28, 2022 19:06:35 GMT -5
I remember hearing about them a couple years ago and wanted to pick up a new hunter before they switched over and just missed out. I remember someone doing a test between the one piece barreled redhawk and a newer 2 piece barreled one and I get it didn't really prove anything but in that case both guns shot identical. I think 2 piece barrels I think Dan Wesson and as far as Smith or Ruger to me it makes me sick seeing them cheapen those classic guns and not to mention like someone else pointed out if it's a money saver I remember the first ones that came out were more than the one piece barreled ones.
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Post by rjm52 on Mar 29, 2022 14:53:15 GMT -5
..I'd rather pay the extra money....
For me that quick change front sight on the G-100 and Redhawks is (was) one of their greatest selling points...
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Post by bradshaw on Mar 29, 2022 15:36:10 GMT -5
I remember hearing about them a couple years ago and wanted to pick up a new hunter before they switched over and just missed out. I remember someone doing a test between the one piece barreled redhawk and a newer 2 piece barreled one and I get it didn't really prove anything but in that case both guns shot identical. I think 2 piece barrels I think Dan Wesson and as far as Smith or Ruger to me it makes me sick seeing them cheapen those classic guns and not to mention like someone else pointed out if it's a money saver I remember the first ones that came out were more than the one piece barreled ones. ****** Theory of accuracy which developed around the Dan Wesson barrel assembly, where barrel acts as a draw bolt between frame and barrel shroud, has not to my knowledge been tested. Leatwise on a revolver. Steel shooters exulted in extremely fine shooting with DWAs in competition, where accuracy the size of a coffee cup @ 200 meters became a witnessed and repeated event. The late gunsmith and National pistol Champion Jim Clark and IHMSA All-American Jerry Moran pumps this concept during one of our talks. DWA set a very high bar in revolver accuracy, with serious attention to chamber boring, chamber-to-bore alignment, fine barrels with a short, smooth forcing cone. Without a serious intention of accuracy in blueprint and on the shop floor, it would not have mattered whether the barrel was THREAD-TIMED at the frame, or stretched between TENON & MUZZLE. I suspect the tension helps, but it may be icing on a cake made right. As relates to the Dan Wesson system, the design & care with which a sleeved barrel is fit should bare directly on its accuracy. If an inferior barrel happens to be installed, the DWA system allows for painless correction. A so-called permanent attachment does not. Which offers a logical conclusion: To remove all doubt, incorporate the DWA system on a double action. All sorts of MUZZLE NUTS are possible, from plain to brake. David Bradshaw |
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Post by aciera on Mar 31, 2022 17:25:29 GMT -5
I wish my 44 Redhawk had a 2 piece barrel.......
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Post by bradshaw on Mar 31, 2022 17:46:27 GMT -5
I wish my 44 Redhawk had a 2 piece barrel....... ***** aciera.... please explain. David Bradshaw |
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Post by aciera on Apr 1, 2022 12:07:01 GMT -5
I wish my 44 Redhawk had a 2 piece barrel....... ***** aciera.... please explain. David Bradshaw I have a 480 cylinder I want a 480 Redhawk No one is reboring A two piece barrel would keep me from having to make mine a 2 piece Just much simpler....... |
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