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Post by sixshot on Mar 27, 2022 1:57:55 GMT -5
Extremely well written article, as usual. And it shows some interesting information that a lot of big bore shooters have known for a long time. The fact that heavy bullets can go fast on the same amount of powder as lighter weight bullets. Examples,
Longshot Powder 11.0 Grs. 250 Gr RNFP 1,014 fps
Longshot Powder 11.2 Grs. 264 Gr RCBS 1,099 fps
Longshot Powder 11.0 Grs. 280 Gr LBT 1,023 fps
Longshot Powder 11.0 Grs. 285 Gr RCBS 1,019 fps
Longshot Powder 11.0 Grs. 300 Gr LBT 1,043 fps
Longshot Powder 11.0 Grs. 320 Gr RCBS 1,049 fps
Dick
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Post by Odin on Mar 27, 2022 5:48:03 GMT -5
Extremely well written article, as usual. And it shows some interesting information that a lot of big bore shooters have known for a long time. The fact that heavy bullets can go fast on the same amount of powder as lighter weight bullets. Examples, Longshot Powder 11.0 Grs. 250 Gr RNFP 1,014 fps Longshot Powder 11.2 Grs. 264 Gr RCBS 1,099 fps Longshot Powder 11.0 Grs. 280 Gr LBT 1,023 fps Longshot Powder 11.0 Grs. 285 Gr RCBS 1,019 fps Longshot Powder 11.0 Grs. 300 Gr LBT 1,043 fps Longshot Powder 11.0 Grs. 320 Gr RCBS 1,049 fps Dick I'd love to see pressure testing done on this range of loads. |
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Post by 45MAN on Mar 27, 2022 7:11:20 GMT -5
DICK: VERY INTERESTING COMPARISON. JUST MY THOUGHT, WEIGHT AND POSSIBLY THE FACT THAT THE HEAVIER BULLET SEATS A TAD DEEPER MAY BOTH CONTRIBUTE TO THE PHENOM OF HEAVIER DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN SLOWER.
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Post by Encore64 on Mar 27, 2022 7:22:17 GMT -5
I've noticed the phenomenon with the voluminous cases and lower (my definition - Under 30k) pressure loads.
Early on, it was particularly obvious with the 38-40. My guess, educated or not, was the heavier bullets held back the smokeless powder for a more efficient burn.
It's hard to correlate efficiency and pressure without pressure testing equipment. The lack of interest in the 38-40, 44-40 and other oldies just doesn't warrant the effort by powder manufacturers.
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Post by sixshot on Mar 27, 2022 12:34:52 GMT -5
Ross Seyfried talked about this very thing many years ago in Handloader magazine, Turbo Charging the 45 Colt I think it was. Anyway, he stated that it was easier to drive heavy bullets fast than it was the lighter weight bullets, pressure wise.
Dick
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Post by rev22 on Mar 27, 2022 16:40:53 GMT -5
I hope he writes a book later. I’m kinda new to this stuff the info is a big help I reload and have a few Ubertis and blackhawks, and vaqueros so it’s very helpful info especially on the strength of the mid frame guns he got my attention when he wrote the article on the mid frame Blackhawk loads with longshot and the bear hunt him and his son went on I think he bought his son a new flat top 45 for a graduation present.
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Post by Encore64 on Mar 27, 2022 16:49:36 GMT -5
With the deficit in revolver data, Wolfe Publishing would do well to simply compile his existing works in a book.
"Pet Loads for Revolvers, Vol. 1" to get the ball rolling. As things progress more volumes could be added.
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Post by taffin on Mar 27, 2022 18:21:42 GMT -5
COMING UP: BE PATIENT!
PART X: BRIAN PEARCE ON SINGLE ACTION SIXGUNS
INTRODUCTION
CHAPTER 58. Why The Single Action
CHAPTER 59. Colt Single Action History
CHAPTER 60. Colt New Frontier
CHAPTER 61. The .22 Colt Sixguns: Scout, Peacemaker, and New Frontier
CHAPTER 62. Colt Single Action Army Shooting
CHAPTER 63. Colt Single Action Army: Customizing and Engraving
CHAPTER 64: Single Action Replicas: USFA, Uberti, Pietta and Standard Manufacturing
CHAPTER 65. US Heroes and Their Colt Single Action Armies
CHAPTER 66. Handloading The Sixgun With Data from .32 H & R Magnum to .500 Linebaugh
CHAPTER 67. Fast, Fancy, and Aerial Shooting
CHAPTER 68. Hunting With Traditional Single Action Sixguns
CHAPTER 69. Single Actions and The .44 Special
CHAPTER 70. Single Actions and The .45 Colt
CHAPTER 71. Single Actions and The .357 Magnum
CHAPTER 72. Custom Ruger Single Actions & Loads
CHAPTER 73. The Freedom Arms Model 83
CHAPTER 74. Single Action Sixgun Sights
CHAPTER 75. Favorite Gun Rigs
CHAPTER 76. Shooting Keith’s Single Actions
CHAPTER 77. The Last Word/The Keith No. 5
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Post by contender on Mar 27, 2022 20:43:35 GMT -5
I'm a hunter,, I know patience.
I'll be waiting,, for publication.
Then,, I'll pull the trigger when the opportunity arrives for me to buy a copy or two.
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Post by 45bbh on Mar 30, 2022 17:43:40 GMT -5
Reading some of his articles years back (20+) lead me to handloading and shooting the .45 Colt for years. I've come to prefer the .44 Mag for a number of reasons but my love for big bore single actions still exists.
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Post by inspectorcallahan on Apr 14, 2022 20:26:55 GMT -5
It defintely was a great artcle and very timely because I just received a Tyler Ruger Bisley that I need to shoot more. Lately, I have been experimenting with Hodgdon (previously Ramshot) Enforcer, because 2400 is hard to come by and they are very, very similar. I loaded 17 through 22grs of powder with a 255LSWC and will hopefully get all of them chrono'd soon. i may test everything in a Ruger SBH Bisley Hunter which should handle those pressures with ease. Pierce used 17-20grs of Enforcer within his 23K category and the 21 & 22gr loads are above 23K but well under the minimum "Ruger Only" Enforcer loads listed in the Western Powders reloading manual (30K PSI), so all loads should be fine. Once again, its easy to justify the cost of Handloader print copy. There is almost ALWAYS some article in each issue that is handgun related and it is etremely rare that I don't find something of interest in each issue. Well worth the cost!  |
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Post by Encore64 on Apr 14, 2022 20:38:30 GMT -5
I have never used Enforcer. But, ordered some from Grafs this week. It's due to arrive tomorrow and I'll be trying it soon.
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Post by blackmamba on Apr 15, 2022 9:15:54 GMT -5
I've used plenty of Accurate 4100, which is the same powder as Enforcer. Meters great, burns super clean, doesn't require magnum primers, and can be downloaded more than H110/W296. 19.0 gr under a 340 RFN @ 1.65" or 20.0 gr under a 300 WFN @ 1.65" are both very accurate hammers! Both loads closer to 28 kpsi, or "Ruger Only" pressures.
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Post by Encore64 on Apr 15, 2022 10:22:02 GMT -5
I've used plenty of Accurate 4100, which is the same powder as Enforcer. Meters great, burns super clean, doesn't require magnum primers, and can be downloaded more than H110/W296. 19.0 gr under a 340 RFN @ 1.65" or 20.0 gr under a 300 WFN @ 1.65" are both very accurate hammers! Both loads closer to 28 kpsi, or "Ruger Only" pressures. This is what I've been reading too. Performs similar to H110, but more forgiving to reduced density loads and easier to ignite like 2400. I appreciate you posting this... |
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Post by inspectorcallahan on Apr 15, 2022 11:56:19 GMT -5
Yeah, 4100 and Enforcer are the same powders but I can't find anything that really shows much difference between 2400 and those two. They are twins on the burn rate chart and also look the same and meter the same as a fine ball powder. Charge weights in loading manuals same or very similar. None require Mag primers either. So, I plan to experiment with it more for everything magnum...45 Colt, 454 Casull, 44 Mag, 41 Mag and 357 a bit later. Enforcer seems readily available unlike 2400 at the moment.  |
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