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Post by contender on Dec 12, 2021 22:20:27 GMT -5
Not to hijack a thread,, I wanted to start a separate one.
The question was about why didn't some good handloaders offer their services to others who didn't handload.
One answer was offered,, and it's "Liability." As noted,, liability in today's society is a BIG concern,, and nobody wants to be the subject of a lawsuit by the family of a person who got seriously injured or even killed,, when the family looks for somebody to blame. It wouldn't matter if "cousin Bubba" was at fault for whatever,, families will SUE!
Another reason. License requirements. You have to have a Handloader FFL to be able to load & sell any handloaded ammo. The cost of the license isn't much,, but you'll need a lawyer,, set up a business,, and get ATF approval. Most folks prefer to NOT go through those hassles.
Another reason; Supplies to be able to load stuff,, as well as the necessary equipment to do so. Those cost MONEY,, and at the current level of shortages,, even if you have the equipment,, you may not be able to get the components to actually load stuff.
Another reason; It's work to load ammo. Workers need to be paid. For any business to survive,, you have to make a profit. Try & compete with a bigger company,, that has the resources to buy in bigger quantities,, for less money,, and you may find they can sell ammo cheaper than your costs of components,, WITHOUT the labor figured in.
So basically,, a hobbyist can't really make a go of it without a serious investment of money & time.
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Post by Encore64 on Dec 12, 2021 22:23:34 GMT -5
I absolutely will not handload for anyone else...
Short post, nothing else to say...
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Post by bushog on Dec 12, 2021 23:47:14 GMT -5
I absolutely will not handload for anyone else... Short post, nothing else to say... This is sort of a Golden Rule isn't it?
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Post by longoval on Dec 13, 2021 0:03:59 GMT -5
The golden rule would just be don't load anything for someone that you wouldn't shoot yourself.
The question you should be asking yourself if concerned about liability is, would his widow sue me.
I have loaded for close friends in the past and probably will in the future.
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Post by kings6 on Dec 13, 2021 0:05:40 GMT -5
I load for myself and my kids and that is it.
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Post by taffin on Dec 13, 2021 0:53:54 GMT -5
I absolutely will not handload for anyone else... Short post, nothing else to say... L-I-A-B-I-L-I-T-Y!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by 500fksjr on Dec 13, 2021 7:38:52 GMT -5
I load for myself and my kids and that is it. +1
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Post by bushog on Dec 13, 2021 7:54:30 GMT -5
Maybe the real question is..
Would you shoot somebody else's handloads?
Nope...
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Post by Encore64 on Dec 13, 2021 8:01:17 GMT -5
Maybe the real question is.. Would you shoot somebody else's handloads? Nope... Greg, I agree. It's the same thought process either way.
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Post by bula on Dec 13, 2021 8:54:09 GMT -5
I've successfully mentored a younger friend into handloading. Over the years with others, I told them what to buy, we have a plastic tote with their name on it here for their goodies. When they come, we sit down and they do the hands on, I talk, walk them thru and oversee. The issue I've had, a Glock damaged, due to others handling my ammo, loading mags together. The damage done, traced back to a 9mm round, factory, dropped. They picked it up and thumbed it on in..There were 4 of us stuffing mags at the same time, talking of next course of fire. As most experienced there, my failure to discuss stuff like dropped round. Another time, caught friend who was having feed issues, flipping failed round into my burn barrel ! City folk, stopped that and cleaned out barrel before next use.
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Post by x101airborne on Dec 13, 2021 9:16:16 GMT -5
I have a couple very close friends I reload for, but they left me their rifles for months to get a load that shoots great and is safe. I always work the load up in THEIR weapons and I have each person, caliber and serial number of weapon in with my load data. And it is usually something obscure like 32 Winchester Special, 38-40, etc.. As far as any "buddies" wanting me to load for them, nope. I dont do that.
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Post by taffin on Dec 13, 2021 12:52:30 GMT -5
I HAVE TAUGHT SEVERAL TO RELOAD BUT WILL NOT RELOAD FOR ANYONE NOR SHOOT ANYONE ELSE'S LOADS.
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Post by magnumwheelman on Dec 13, 2021 14:00:05 GMT -5
some people just shouldn't reload... got a buddy that does, but is unwilling to offer his undivided attention, & he has paid for it many times... he still watches TV while he's reloading...
he's still a friend, but I would not shoot his reloads...
FIL was a well known reloader around these parts before he died ( not gun fire related ) he was known for loading hot, & as we inherited his stuff... I started out shooting his handloads... after a few issues of "hotter than I would load" I just pulled the bullets & dumped all the rest of his handloads...
...so I'm really anal when it come to loading... & could probably safely reload for others ( I've yet to do it ) but all it takes is for someone to get a barrel obstruction while hunting, & it most likely gets blamed on the ammo... I'm not looking to sell everything I have to pay a lawsuit for an accident my fault or not
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Post by bullseye on Dec 13, 2021 14:22:34 GMT -5
I don't attend too many anymore, but you can go to pretty much any of the large or small gun shows around here & there will be at least 2-3 tables with guys selling ammo they've loaded themselves...And I always see people buying it. Not me!
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