Hornady bullets

[zeus]

Nov 14, 2021 16:40:58 GMT -5 blackmamba said:

The 270 gr Deep Curl bullet is a flat nose SP with very little lead showing, while the Gold Dot bullets are big, wide HPs mainly for self defense. I didn't know they made a Gold Dot in .429 270 gr., but any Gold Dot would open much more readily than the Deep Curl.

The deep curl is the new name for the 270 GD. Same bullet. Different name. The 270 44 hasn’t changed. This is NOT a defensive bullet. The 44 mag version has always been a flat point. They changed the name on it years ago. My brain still typed gold dot, sorry. All the new boxes do say deep curl. The coyote I mentioned that stands out in my memory, was with the flat point from the old packaging of Gold Dot.

[blackmamba]

Thanks for the info, but then, I'm at a loss to explain the difference in game reactions. The buck I shot was quartering towards me and the bullet went in just behind the shoulder. I trailed him for about 100 yards, where he entered a slough and I lost the trail. Turns out he doubled back and went down a creek for almost a half mile and was found on the creek bank 3 days later. The bullet just penciled through. Not enough velocity or not enough resistance, or both.

[zeus]

Nov 15, 2021 7:23:58 GMT -5 blackmamba said:

Thanks for the info, but then, I'm at a loss to explain the difference in game reactions. The buck I shot was quartering towards me and the bullet went in just behind the shoulder. I trailed him for about 100 yards, where he entered a slough and I lost the trail. Turns out he doubled back and went down a creek for almost a half mile and was found on the creek bank 3 days later. The bullet just penciled through. Not enough velocity or not enough resistance, or both.

Probably both. Also that angle doesn’t hit much in vitals in comparison to putting it on the point of the shoulder between there and neck juncture on a quartering to shot giving exit behind offside shoulder in that case. I will have to go back and see how hard I ran that bullet back then.

[bula]

Thanks guys, the mature bucks here are generally still @ 200lbs after gutting. The last taken with a 44SBH was with Federal CastCore 300WFN. Bullet went into the quartering toward me buck inboard of shoulder and crossed forward/upper body cavity and broke last 2 ribs on exit of far side. He still went about 150 yds. I like the idea of but haven't taken game with the 300gr HP XTP. I lost the data I had from an article for a H110/296 longseated loading that I used in a long gone RH. No game was taken when that gun was packed, hunted. The 265 Hornady and 270 Speer here primarily  for the Marlin carbine and @200 more velo ..They have proven accurate to our 200yd berm at camp, at least when NathanHale was on the trigger of the 44 SBHH.

[bradshaw]

Nov 14, 2021 16:40:58 GMT -5 blackmamba said:

The 270 gr Deep Curl bullet is a flat nose SP with very little lead showing, while the Gold Dot bullets are big, wide HPs mainly for self defense. I didn't know they made a Gold Dot in .429 270 gr., but any Gold Dot would open much more readily than the Deep Curl.

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blackmamba.... thanks for adding this detail. Without detail, one is left to conjecture, and the writer should expect the reader to distort his meaning. In your case, your first description is good, just lacks the bullet’s path. Like elk and moose, deer are easy to kill----except when they’re not. I put a first generation Federal .338 Mag 225 Trophy Bonded Bear Claw through the chest of a big buck quartered toward me @ 160 or 200 yards. My first time in the area and I could see what looked to be a marshy flat behind the whitetail. In fact, the buck stood backed up to a rain-swollen river, into which he plunged. Time it took me to cross the field he was long gone. Only evidence of my shot was a bit of chest hair, a slight spray of blood with a pice of live the size of a nickel hanging on the brush. I trod the river’s edge two hours without so much as a track. Shot another deer with same Model 70 Classic stainless, same load. Sideways lung shot. Deer stood there as though nothing had happened, then keeled over. Reminded me of a much smaller deer shot in Texas with Colt stainless Python and Federal .357 Mag 180 JHP: deer stands there, shot through both lungs, then takes a couple of steps, keels over.

The Trophy Bonded Bear Claw was much more an elk and bear bullet. Velocity alone does not always convect hydrostatic shock.

If I have been “mentored” in POWDER COAT revolver bullets, it is by Jeff “Tank” hoover and former silhouetter & always hunter Dick Thompson. My own little discovery why POWDER COAT designates its own category of bullet comes through its ductility, its ability to expand yet----contain that expansion----within the range of revolver velocities we normally shoot. A wider RPM range than available from most jacketed hollow points. In other words, expansion from most JHP’s----and jacketed soft points----demands a narrower velocity window.

It is my experience on the humble whitetail that modest expansion generates shock beyond what modest deformation might suggest.

During my tenure in silhouette I heard numerous complaints of hard cast SWC’s performing poorly om whitetails. Whereas Hornady and Sierra .44 and .41 mags made for faster acting lung shots.

As for weight, the so-called lightweight Federal .44 Mag 180 JHP spells curtains on lungshot whitetails in the 100, 125, 150 pound range. I’ve taken deer with that load in M-29 4”, M-29 8-3/8”, and Redhawk 5-1/2”. Handloaded .44 Hornady 200 JHP and Nosler 200 JHP perform similarly from sixgun, and even 300 or 400 fps faster from .44 Mag Marlin with 20” barrel.

Old timers told me a lot of deer were lost to military ball ammo in .30-06 and 8x57mm Mauser. Which may have been the main reason various fish & game departments banned FMJ for hunting.
David Bradshaw

[lar4570]

As long g as we're on the subject of Hornady bullets... I have some 250XTPs that were pulled down from some 454 loads that I bought for the brass and bullets. I thought the guy told me they were XTP mags, this was 15ish years ago, the current XTP mags are 240s and 300s. Did they ever make a 250XTP Mag in 45 cal?
They shoot great in my Ruger 450 bushmaster @ 2000 fps+. I haven't shot anything but paper with them yet, I'm just wondering if they are not a Mag bullet, I may be pushing them way too fast...

[zeus]

The 250s as far as I know we’re always non “mag”.

They do fine for normal velocities but obturate too much at 454 speeds.