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Post by boatswainsmate on Oct 2, 2021 11:48:22 GMT -5
Hello All, I bought these today at the gun show. Good bullets? Thanks in advance. Boats   |
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Post by iwsbull on Oct 2, 2021 12:19:22 GMT -5
Break open a keg of H110 and hold on.
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Post by bradshaw on Oct 2, 2021 12:57:47 GMT -5
Hello All, I bought these today at the gun show. Good bullets? Thanks in advance. Boats ***** The Freedom Arms .45 260 Jacketed Flat Point (truncated cone) was swaged on a machine at the FA factory. A very hard bullet, I doubt an animal in North America could distort it. When we were shooting up cars, I imagine this bullet would have surpassed all other revolver rounds we tried. Dick Casull sets a steel plate on the berm behind his house, then hands me the 12” octagon .454 kept under his coffee table. Steps into his bedroom... comes out to drop a pet load in my hand, his face a sparkle of mischief. I turn to Wayne Baker, “I should get my glove from your car.” “Nah,” says Wayne. Loading----the round looks radioactive----I commence to white-knuckle the grip. Quite unsure I'll hit the small plate, which Dick calls 40 yards. BOOM! “You hit it!" says Dick. “Right in the middle.” All I see is a cloud of caliche dust. Walk down to the berm; the plate now drilled with a silver hole. Bone of my middle finger aching like fury. I think Dick Casull cracked my middle finger. “How’d you load that round, Dick? With a playing card.” “Just mound the case, brush it off with a playing card,” says Dick. “That’s more power than a .30-06.” David Bradshaw |
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Post by jfs on Oct 2, 2021 14:04:35 GMT -5
  Shot this Shiras moose with one 260gr JFP bullet from FA`s.... That`s the recovered bullet next to a loaded round.... Lost 0.1gr.... David Bradshaw was right
PS- if you ever want to make an even trade for a factory sealed box of the same bullet but in 300grs let me know.....
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Post by Ken O'Neill on Oct 2, 2021 15:23:12 GMT -5
A tough, HARD bullet. I shot one broadside through a blue wildebeest in RSA, killing an unseen one standing behind it.
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Post by 45MAN on Oct 2, 2021 17:11:46 GMT -5
I WAS PUSHING A 260gr FA BULLET AT 2,000fps, SHOT A HOG AT VERY CLOSE RANGE, IIRC, FOUND A BUNCH OF LEAD PARTICLES. ALSO, IIRC, FA LOADED THESE TO 1,800fps, AND THAT MAY BE THE APPROPRIATE MV RANGE.
QUESTION: WERE THE FA 260's THE SAME COMPOSITION AS THEEIR 300's? WERE THEY BETTER?
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Post by sixshot on Oct 2, 2021 19:05:24 GMT -5
I remember several years back when Glenn Swaggart was visiting here that we drove down to FA & Bob Baker sold him every last 260 gr bullet they had left, there might have been a few boxes of 300 gr also but most of them were 260's. Glenn has shot a LOT of them. I didn't think it was possible to make a jacketed bullet that hard, I was wrong!
Dick
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Post by zeus on Oct 2, 2021 19:10:37 GMT -5
I’ve sheared the nose of a 260 on an axis deer shoulder at about 125 yards. I was surprised. They work well though. Extremely accurate from my guns. I shoot that bullet at about 1900 from my 10” M83.
Dick, funny thing was not long after that buy at FA, I bought a load of them here in KC when a shop called me knowing I liked them. I bought a PILE of them that day!
I think the 300 was almost identical, just heavier.
The bullet that Sierra males resembles it and is the only gullet Sierra makes with that antimony amount. It’s hard. They keep a small amount of the materials on the shelf just for that bullet.
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Post by bradshaw on Oct 2, 2021 20:07:18 GMT -5
Freedom Arms ceased the sale of its factory ammunition when Taurus released the Raging Bull in .454 Casull. Hunter S. Thompson gave a Model 83 .454 Casull 7-1/2”, along with FA 260 J-FP ammunition, to William S. Burroughs. Burroughs told me he didn’t consider recoil especially severe. Which surprised me, as Burroughs was nearing 80, with about as much meat on him as a boom handle. Nor did it wipe the wry smile from his face, cutting loose his sawed-off Rossi Coach Gun. I think Burroughs considered that kind of power wholesome, like taking vitamins or biting into a good steak.
William gave me a handful of the Freedom Arms ammo Hunter Thompson had given him. The story doesn’t end there but I’m going to end it there. Still have five of those rounds.
This is also the load Freedom Arms president Wayne Baker had in mind when he caused IHMSA president Elgin Gates to bite the end off his cigar: “Why,” exclaims Baker, "the .454 Casull will blow those rams 3-feet off the rail!”
That was a classic case of two egos. Wayne Baker and Elgin Gates had as much “retreat” in their vocabulary as the boxing great, Smokin’ Joe Frazier.
Even with you guys killing critters with the FA 260 J-FP, it’s far from my choice for whitetails. And, I’m surprised James recovered one from a bull moose. Even from the perspective of pulling off my shirt & climbing inside to gut a bull moose.
David Bradshaw
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Post by x101airborne on Oct 3, 2021 9:42:36 GMT -5
Do you mean the Hunter S. Thompson, like the Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, Hunter S. Thompson? THAT would have been cool to know him! What an outside the box kind of guy!
When I bought my 5.5 inch FA I also got into a deal for three big boxes of Swift A-Frames, 4 boxes of Nosler Partitions and I think 4 boxes of FA bullets along with 8 boxes of Sierras. Hard to believe that those FA bullets will go through plate steel!
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Post by 45MAN on Oct 3, 2021 10:09:39 GMT -5
I’ve sheared the nose of a 260 on an axis deer shoulder at about 125 yards. I was surprised. They work well though. Extremely accurate from my guns. I shoot that bullet at about 1900 from my 10” M83. I think the 300 was almost identical, just heavier. The bullet that Sierra males resembles it and is the only gullet Sierra makes with that antimony amount. It’s hard. They keep a small amount of the materials on the shelf just for that bullet. I BLEW UP A 300gr FA BULLET ON THE SHOULDER OF A KUDU, LED TO A LENGTHY TRACKING JOB AND SOME MORE SHOOTING. FA MADE THEIR BULLETS REAL HARD FOR THE PRESSURES OF THE 454 BUT HARD IS DAMN NEAR SYNONYMOUS WITH BRITTLE, THAT IS WHY I GAVE UP ON THE FA BULLETS (ALL HAD EXPOSED FLAT TIPS) FOR BIG GAME. FOR DEER HUNTING, I USE SOME VINTAGE WINCHESTER AMMO THAT I SWEAR IS LOADED WITH FA 300gr BULLETS, OK FOR DEER. WAITING FOR SIERRA TO MAKE SOME MORE OF THE 300gr BULLETS, WILL LOAD THEM INTO THE 1,500's fps RANGE BUT NOT INTO THE 1,600's, WHEN BULLET INTEGRITY MAY SUFFER. |
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Post by bigmuddy on Oct 3, 2021 10:23:24 GMT -5
When I load the Sierra in my 454’s I run them at 1400 fps. I was told (by a credible source) that was the optimum velocity for that bullet. I run the FA 300 to the same.
Dan
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Post by bradshaw on Oct 3, 2021 10:38:14 GMT -5
I BLEW UP A 300gr FA BULLET ON THE SHOULDER OF A KUDU, LED TO A LENGTHY TRACKING JOB AND SOME MORE SHOOTING. FA MADE THEIR BULLETS REAL HARD FOR THE PRESSURES OF THE 454 BUT HARD IS DAMN NEAR SYNONYMOUS WITH BRITTLE, THAT IS WHY I GAVE UP ON THE FA BULLETS (ALL HAD EXPOSED FLAT TIPS) FOR BIG GAME. FOR DEER HUNTING, I USE SOME VINTAGE WINCHESTER AMMO THAT I SWEAR IS LOADED WITH FA 300gr BULLETS, OK FOR DEER.
WAITING FOR SIERRA TO MAKE SOME MORE OF THE 300gr BULLETS, WILL LOAD THEM INTO THE 1,500's fps RANGE BUT NOT INTO THE 1,600's, WHEN BULLET INTEGRITY MAY SUFFER.[/quote]
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“.... Hard is damn near synonymous with brittle....”
----45MAN
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A bullet cast too hard was subject to blow up on steel silhouettes. to the point of not knocking them over. Big cloud of lead dust and the silhouette still stands. Too hard is not your friend on soft skin. A ridge running whitetail muscled like a football lineman, never heard of a feeder, never tasted cultivated grass, can wear a pencil hole through his lungs across a mountain, lead you into a snow-laden cedar bog where each step sinks your boot. Brittle was a blueprint for ringers in silhouette and brittle is a blueprint for lost game on soft skin.
This is where I believe discovery with POWDER COAT continues.
As for trying to tune a bullet’s performance within 100 feet per second, that uses up all your forgiveness to either side of that rpm. I once asked chronograph maestro Dr. Kenneth Oehler what he wanted in a deer bullet.
“Forgiveness,” says the doctor.
David Bradshaw
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Post by 45MAN on Oct 3, 2021 10:48:45 GMT -5
When I load the Sierra in my 454’s I run them at 1400 fps. I was told (by a credible source) that was the optimum velocity for that bullet. I run the FA 300 to the same. Dan DAN: MY NEXT RELOADING PROJECT IS SOME PULLED 300gr SWIFT A-FRAMES IN CASULL CASES OVER 25.5grs OF 2400 (BEARSKINNER's LOAD). IN MY FA 8 3/8ths" STALKERS I SHOULD BE IN THE 1,400's, BUT IN MY 10 INCH AND 12 INCH FA REVOLVERS I MAY BE IN THE 1,500's. IF I CAN GET THIS GOING SOON I HOPE TO USE THEM THIS DEER SEASON. WILL ALSO LOAD SOME 300gr XTP MAGS WITH THE SAME POWDER CHARGE FOR PRACTICE ROUNDS. |
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Post by bradshaw on Oct 3, 2021 11:19:36 GMT -5
Do you mean the Hunter S. Thompson, like the Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, Hunter S. Thompson? THAT would have been cool to know him! What an outside the box kind of guy! When I bought my 5.5 inch FA I also got into a deal for three big boxes of Swift A-Frames, 4 boxes of Nosler Partitions and I think 4 boxes of FA bullets along with 8 boxes of Sierras. Hard to believe that those FA bullets will go through plate steel! ***** Trey.... unbeknownst to me as I passed through airport security, five of these rounds which the author of Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas gave to William S. Burroughs, and which Burroughs passed to me, five of these rounds were in my pocket. Evidently, the Freedom Arms 260 J-FP load doesn’t need high velocity to hit hard. Discovering my ordnance in the waiting area, and unable to access checked bags, I dropped the cartridges into a metal trash can, the kind with a flapper door. A huge, metallic KA-LULLA-LULLA issued forth,, causing many eyes in the peanut gallery to point my way. David Bradshaw |
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