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Post by cas on Aug 20, 2021 17:19:21 GMT -5
I assume he's referring to no transfer bar or the like.
I safely carry my 83 fully loaded.
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Post by maxcactus on Aug 20, 2021 20:59:26 GMT -5
What did you see in the parts diagram that soured your opinion of the FA design? YES I AM REALLY CONCERNED. MY ORIGINAL .454 FROM 1986 HAS BEEN SUBJECTED TO SOME EXTREMELY HEAVY LOADS, THOUSANDS OF THEM, AND I WANT TO BE PREPARED WHEN IT FAILS. Okay, that just made me howl laughing out loud! To the OP, why buy anything more premium than a Toyota Corolla or the most basic (fill in the blank here)? A Freedom Arms won't kill game any deader than a Ruger, but you sure as heck know that if you miss with a Freedom Arms, YOU are at fault! Like many premium tools, you're paying more for a little bit more of everything, in this case, strength, accuracy, durability, longevity, tolerances, etc. You can't go wrong either way, but with a Freedom Arms, you'll never have ANY excuse! Cheers to you, sir.
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Post by jfs on Aug 20, 2021 22:15:20 GMT -5
25 SHOTS = 24 WHITETAIL + ONE COUGAR. For a handgun hunter, that`s about as good of a recommendation as you can get.... I`ve owned every caliber model 83 made. I`am not that good of a shooter and found, after my first FA`s, they are very accurate and strong single actions allowing me to make some of Taffin`s handloads that give extreme terminal performance when I put `em right.... example: two NM mule deer.. one at 70 and the other at an even 100 yards.. both one shot kills with my M-83
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Post by CraigC on Aug 21, 2021 12:18:03 GMT -5
You get FA's accuracy without the .454's abuse. You also have the option of loading them with as much H110 as will fit in the case. With dual crimp groove bullets, you basically eliminate the need for a 1.4" case. I haven't checked the FA's cylinder length but I get 355's to 1350fps out of the long cylinder .44's. It's also generally less expensive than trying to build one out of a Ruger.
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Post by taffin on Aug 21, 2021 12:53:26 GMT -5
I WELL REMEMBER DISCUSSING BRINGING OUT A .44 MAGNUM MODEL 83 WITH FREEDOM ARMS' WAYNE BAKER--EXCELLENT CHOICE. FREEDOM ALWAYS CONSULTED/CONSULTS WITH ACTUAL SHOOTERS.
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Post by CraigC on Aug 21, 2021 13:05:04 GMT -5
A 6" FA83 .44Mag could easily be argued as the perfect big bore sixgun. Not that anybody would just want one, that's just plain silly.
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Post by taffin on Aug 21, 2021 13:09:52 GMT -5
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Post by x101airborne on Aug 21, 2021 15:03:31 GMT -5
Are those Catalina goats? Very cool pictures!
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Post by taffin on Aug 21, 2021 15:31:56 GMT -5
Are those Catalina goats? Very cool pictures! IBEX/CATALINA CROSSBREEDS
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Post by x101airborne on Aug 21, 2021 16:10:39 GMT -5
Awesome! I used to shoot those in West Texas as a nuisance animal.
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Post by jeffer on Aug 21, 2021 21:54:38 GMT -5
Craig's points about the 44 in the freedom arms 83 are very valid
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Post by rocdoc on Sept 26, 2021 4:27:57 GMT -5
What did you see in the parts diagram that soured your opinion of the FA design? YES I AM REALLY CONCERNED. MY ORIGINAL .454 FROM 1986 HAS BEEN SUBJECTED TO SOME EXTREMELY HEAVY LOADS, THOUSANDS OF THEM, AND I WANT TO BE PREPARED WHEN IT FAILS. Because I have about $1K worth of Ruger NM SA parts on hand.I can take Rugers apart and reassemble in my sleep. Nobody figured out the 83429 part I inquired about a Vaquero style and was told no. Thank you Taffin for your insight. Do not understand the popularity given cost vs Ruger Supers
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Post by jgt on Sept 26, 2021 6:38:09 GMT -5
I would never try to convince anyone to do as I do. That is a choice only you can make. If you can not buy what you want you will have to build it or have it built by a custom gunsmith. I have a model 83 44 magnum and I have a Harton built Vaquero 44 magnum both are beautiful and accurate guns. My only advice is do it while you can still see. I have a hard time seeing well enough to shoot my fixed sited guns and before long I may have the same problem with the adjustable sited ones.
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Post by contender on Sept 26, 2021 9:02:59 GMT -5
"Do not understand the popularity given cost vs Ruger Supers"
I understand the affinity for owning Rugers. I can honestly say,, that I probably own more Ruger SA's than most folks here. let's suffice it to say,, I have plenty. I own them, shoot them, collect them, and even do display shows with ROCS. That said,, I also own a single FA in 454. I have also had the honor of visiting the FA facility, and watching them made. I have also handled & shot several other FA's.
With that, you ask about popularity given cost vs Rugers.
Many, many people prefer a top quality product. Many people do not want to take a gun apart & tinker on it. The FA is built to very tight tolerance, & doesn't require internal tinkering. the craftsmen & women at FA work hard at making the gun as perfect as possible the first time. By hand building them, they are different than a Ruger which are made by assemblers & mass produced. With Ruger,, you pay less, but you also get the potential for a looser tolerance gun, or even a bad one. At FA,, Bob doesn't want a gun to leave them unless it is RIGHT! And since most people only own a small number of handguns,, but want seriously well built, accurate & dependable handguns,,, they are willing to pay the cost difference from a Ruger vs a FA. Then you have the people who desire a "sorta" custom gun,, but do not want the wait time for a custom gunsmith to build what they desire. Plus,, you will often pay a lot more than what a FA will cost.
But yes,, many, many people look at the cost of a FA & say; "Heck, I'd never pay that much for a handgun." Well, on this site,, there are more down to earth, honest handgunners who desire to be serious about their handgunning & especially handgun hunters, who want serious accuracy AND dependability. When I show my FA to casual handgunners,, and they ask; "How much do these cost?" When I reply with the casual reply of; "Well around $3000 new." MANY of these folks think you have to be crazy to pay that. But when one of them who has an interest, and shoots it,,feeling the accuracy, the joy of how it feels, I often see the light go off & they tend to understand a bit more. Don't get me wrong,, I'm a die hard fan of Ruger. And yes, you can disassemble them, tinker on them, customize them, & make them super sweet shooters. You can customize them, and make them as good as a FA. But the craftsmanship of a FA is hard to beat. But you are paying for a gun that is almost a custom,, vs a production item. But unless you are doing the work yourself, the cost of getting the same quality craftsmanship in a FA vs a Ruger, it's cost prohibitive. And on customs,, you RARELY hear of anybody tearing them apart to tinker on.
There are so many things to say,, but it's hard to describe some of them. Simply put, the FA's are popular because they are simply the best Factory produced gun you can buy. And you buy one knowing it'll be RIGHT.
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Post by magman on Sept 26, 2021 10:10:33 GMT -5
I own a fair numbers of Rugers and do enjoy them. But pick up an FA and you can feel a difference. I have a few custom Rugers, but they cost well north of an FA.
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