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Post by dougader on May 17, 2021 13:31:23 GMT -5
As an aside, both 338 Federal and 358 Win brass are currently in stock at Starline.
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Post by rleprechaun on May 17, 2021 18:33:44 GMT -5
In the 338 Federal use 210 Nosler partitions. In the 358 Winchester us the discontinued 200 gr Hornady spitzer or the Nosler 200gr AB.
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Post by pacecars on May 17, 2021 19:06:55 GMT -5
You could rechamber the .338 to .338-.284 and have a short action .338-06 and a hell of a gun. You could do the same with the .358 on the .284 case for a short action Whelen but the .338 has some great bullets
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Post by edk on May 18, 2021 5:57:32 GMT -5
I gave up and went to strictly 220 grain cast bullets from a NOE mold. Im doing "ok" with the cast bullets, but I would really like to find a jacketed alternative when they become available again. Why only OK? As has been pointed out folks seem to do fine with it over on the other site using the 35 Rem and the 358 Win. In fact the two are touted as one of the very best applications for a cast rifle bullet. Is it that you are having trouble with performance - dialing it in or that you just don't want to deal with the cast bullets? Soft point noses are an option but understand are more work. Here is some older but good supplementary info: Part 1 of 2, .35 Remington Factory Load Performance
Part 2 of 2, .35 Remington Reload Performance
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Post by x101airborne on May 18, 2021 11:47:15 GMT -5
I am using powder coated gas checked bullets. My mold doesn't give me a lot of flat to the nose of the bullet. This helps it feed from the Mauser magazine but lacks a little in imparting a lot of energy into the animal. Again, never recovered a bullet even shooting hogs (230 - 270 pounds) through the shoulders. I have found a few fragments, but never an entire bullet. I did recover the hogs so I cant say it doesn't work, I would just like it to work better before using it on deer.
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Post by dougader on May 18, 2021 14:23:09 GMT -5
A guy on cast boolits shot a 35 caliber HP cast bullet from his 358 Win into a deer and it EXPLODED, but still penetrated enough to get the job done. He concluded a cup point and maybe a little harder alloy may be in order for future hunting loads.
The info in that thread caused me to buy a single shot in 35 Remington.
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Post by x101airborne on May 18, 2021 15:41:44 GMT -5
Thanks Doug!
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Post by potatojudge on May 19, 2021 16:56:07 GMT -5
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Post by rjm52 on May 19, 2021 18:54:37 GMT -5
Have been shooting .35s for deer since the early 1990s. Several .350 Remington Magnums with 18.5, 20 and 22" barrels and a Ruger Frontier in .358. There is also a .350 RM Long that will run 250 grain bullets at 2700 fps and 200 grain Accubonds at 2900 fps.... As to long range shooting with the .358, I would say you are barking up the wrong tree... There are no jacketed bullets made that with a starting velocity that most .358s can attain will expand at all much over 150 yards let alone 300. Don't know is you have seen this blog but he tested a lot of bullets on game and many don't expand even out of the RM. 35cal.com/35bullet_study/35bullet_study1.htmlHe uses wet newspaper for his media and is a lot tougher than the couple of inches of meat over the ribs of most deer. Several of my hunting partners have used .35 Remingtons, .358s, .35 Whelens and .358 Norma Mags. for deer, bear and moose and all have been satisfied with the results but the shots have been between 30 and 90 yards. I have one doe taken at 125 with the 20" Remington 7KS with a 220 Speer FP. Broke the left femur, cut off the bottom of the heart and left 1x2" exit hole out the right chest and the deer still ran 80 yards. Another large doe was taken broadside at 40 yards while walking with the Ruger Frontier with the 220 Speer at 2250 fps. The bullet caught her half way up the shoulder about 2" in, punched through the lungs and out in the exact same place on the right shoulder. She bucked, ran 30 yards and dropped.. No expansion at all. Could eat right up to the bullet hole. Probably the best bullet for deer was the now discontinued Hornady 180 Single Shot Pistol bullet made for .35 handguns like the Contender and Encore. Good luck in your quest...Bob
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Post by bigbrowndog on May 19, 2021 19:39:15 GMT -5
RJM, early 1900’s? .........how old are you? Trapr
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Post by rjm52 on May 19, 2021 21:55:57 GMT -5
Some days I feel that old....Bob
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Post by aciera on May 22, 2021 20:44:53 GMT -5
Shooters pro shop has had 180 and 200 grain 338 Accubonds intermittently in stock. Both seem to do well in the Federal. The Scirocco is a good choice as well, or the partition if you can find them. The trajectory isn’t much of a limitation in the Federal, but minimum expansion velocity is. Is a 338 Wing Mag good for deer out to 600 yards? At what range does the 338 Fed have the same velocity as the WM at 600, given identical bullet weights? 700? 800? Sometimes our limitations are imaginary and it’s useful to realize that at some distances, the Fed and WM will have equivalent impact velocity. ***** The killing power of the .338 Win Mag is not imaginary. In the process of putting meat in the freezer it etched in mind memorable hunts. I have no doubt the .338/308 is a fine cartridge, but I wouldn’t give it parity with the Win Mag, Any more than I pronounce the .308 Winchester equal to a .300 magnum on big stuff our yonder. I try not to be jaundiced, yet the .338 Win Mag holds dear memories in my heart and they ain’t for sale. Were I handed a .338 Federal and told, “this is all you have,” I’d truck lighter bullets than I feed the magnum. That is where the adjustment is made: lighter bullets. Old John Moses Browning was asked by the army to design a 37mm anti-aircraft gun. Uncle Sugar handed him the load, with the commandment, “Design it to shoot this.” Ole Browning hefted the cartridge, pursed his lips and said, “You’re going to want more velocity.” Uncle Suger waved him off, “No, make it for this cartridge.” Soon as Browning made his anti-aircraft gun, Uncle Sugar wanted more power. John Browning designed his guns around a cartridge. A bullet made for a cartridge a good thing. David Bradshaw John Buhmiller built a friend of mine a 338WM on a Mauser. Bob was a gunwriter and shot that barrel out hunting. Bob didn’t fish. Bob was a cohort in crime with John Amber. He hunted. He was based in PA when the Model Seven came out. Bob bought one and had a 338-308 barrel screwed on. At least 3 deer a year till he passed a couple of years ago. Not to mention anything else he could hunt. Thought it excellent for PA deer to 250-300 yards. And never had any trouble killing deer. Bob could shoot. Very well. Miss that Ol Cuss.........
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Post by x101airborne on Jun 1, 2021 10:18:16 GMT -5
I gave up and went to strictly 220 grain cast bullets from a NOE mold. Im doing "ok" with the cast bullets, but I would really like to find a jacketed alternative when they become available again. Why only OK? As has been pointed out folks seem to do fine with it over on the other site using the 35 Rem and the 358 Win. In fact the two are touted as one of the very best applications for a cast rifle bullet. Is it that you are having trouble with performance - dialing it in or that you just don't want to deal with the cast bullets? Soft point noses are an option but understand are more work. Here is some older but good supplementary info: Part 1 of 2, .35 Remington Factory Load Performance
Part 2 of 2, .35 Remington Reload PerformanceThanks everyone for the input! The reason I say I am doing "ok" with cast is my groups open up inconsistently at 200 yards. If they were consistent, I wouldn't worry. I probably could work it out eventually, but time is a constraint. For busting stuff (including deer) at 100 yards?... Great! (well, good enough). My 358 is a 1-10 twist and I think I am hitting RPM threshold before top velocity. I really would have preferred a 1-12 or 1-14 twist but I didn't want to wait 4 months for a barrel at the time.
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Post by white eagle on Jun 9, 2021 15:27:18 GMT -5
I believe that my win m70 is a 10 twist and have had real good luck with 250 gr. Hornady Spire points and Accurate 2015 with a top charge weight it also shoots 225 gr bullets very good as well
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Post by doubletap on Jun 9, 2021 20:28:00 GMT -5
You might also want to take a look at Hawk bullets. Pure copper jackets, pure lead cores. I would think that since they make a nice 200 gr. bullet that works perfectly well for my .33 Winchester '86, it would certainly open up for the .338 Federal a couple hundred feet faster. They also offer different jacket thicknesses, if you prefer a bit tougher slug. Ditto for the .358. I've always found the 180 gr.Speer to be a tougher bullet than say a Hornady 200 gr. round nose, which one would typically use in a 35 Remington at plus or minus 2000 fps. I can easily push this slug at 2200 fps out of my Savage 99 (22" barrel), and it shoots plenty flat for 200 yard use on deer and opens rather quickly. I wouldn't try 3/4 angling away shots on big mulies with it, but on anything approaching a broadside shot it's a quick killer.
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