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Post by boolitdesigner on Feb 18, 2021 12:40:18 GMT -5
I make my own. It is a low viscosity fairly soft lube and it doesn't matter how much is used because it doesn't throw shots out of the group.
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Post by Fowler on Feb 18, 2021 12:43:41 GMT -5
I make my own. It is a low viscosity fairly soft lube and it doesn't matter how much is used because it doesn't throw shots out of the group. OK so the million dollar question, PC of traditional lubed bullets? Or is this a situational thing for you?
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Post by boolitdesigner on Feb 18, 2021 12:50:06 GMT -5
I make my own. It is a low viscosity fairly soft lube and it doesn't matter how much is used because it doesn't throw shots out of the group. OK so the million dollar question, PC of traditional lubed bullets? Or is this a situational thing for you? I can make the bullet do about anything I want without it, and I'm pretty old to change now. I think a conventional lubed bullet design works best as it gives more in the proper places than a smooth sided bullet does that is stiffer.
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Post by leadhound on Feb 18, 2021 13:04:50 GMT -5
I make my own. It is a low viscosity fairly soft lube and it doesn't matter how much is used because it doesn't throw shots out of the group. What recipe?
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Post by boolitdesigner on Feb 18, 2021 16:24:34 GMT -5
I make my own. It is a low viscosity fairly soft lube and it doesn't matter how much is used because it doesn't throw shots out of the group. What recipe? I just knew this would happen............ A long time ago I was involved with a bunch of Michigan boys. One of them was a lube experimenter (357 Maximum was his handle). I traded some of my cast bullets for a lifetime box of his lube (Purple lube is what he called it) and I don't know the specifics other than it had micro crystalline wax in it. You would have to find him and get the formula to duplicate. That's half and NO, it didn't work by itself...way to viscous and clingy. The second half is the real old NRA lube with equal parts by volume of beeswax, vaseline (the old greasy yellowish stuff) and parafin. Of course the original was gold plated, but vaseline changed and it didn't work right anymore. Mixed together they provided what the other lacked along with right fine accuracy, but no one believes me on what it's done. There you have it.
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Post by leadhound on Feb 18, 2021 17:04:48 GMT -5
Mixed together they provided what the other lacked along with right fine accuracy, but no one believes me on what it's done. There you have it. Well thank you anyways, I believe ya, was just wonderin, I have been using Ben’s Red, I believe that’s the name of the concoction, has worked good for me, but I have only used on mild handgun rounds. I may need to stiffen it up some, has a tendency to blow out at the cylinder gap, but still intact and leaves a good pattern at the muzzle.
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Post by xgbx on Apr 5, 2021 15:58:12 GMT -5
...more people are going to start casting eventually. How do we support our brothers and sisters in shooting sports and educate them as to what they need to get the job done and done safely? (By safely, I mean to them, their firearms and limiting the amount of pain to the target or animal.) I’d say teach them to cast accurate bullets with a good-sized meplate, load those bullets into accurate ammo at about 45 ACP+P ballistics, and coach them as they practice enough to truly understand their maximum range. As for bullets, I see little need for anything more exotic than a true Keith. As John Linebaugh put it, “I have personally taken about 10 antelope and 1 mule deer with a .45 Colt. My boys have taken around 6 antelope and 5 mule deer with their .45 Colts. They use a 4 3/4" Colt SA and the handload is a 260 Keith cast at 900 fps. This load will shoot lengthwise of antelope and mule deer at 100 yards. In my estimation it kills as well as the .270, 30-06 class rifles if the shots are placed properly.” We can debate alloys but keeping the velocity down lets the shooter practice enough for precise shot placement. From there, everything else kinda takes care of itself. X18C
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Post by bushog on Apr 16, 2021 15:50:31 GMT -5
Good info...
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Post by white eagle on May 10, 2021 10:48:54 GMT -5
does alloy really matter when you powder coat your boolits? I have given up on BHN for that reason and accuracy is my main concern all that being said IF I want to have a high BHN boolit for whatever reason isn't it fantastic that we can make tailor suited alloy's
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Post by white eagle on May 17, 2021 9:40:24 GMT -5
much has been said to the effect of casting boolits I will ad that since powder coating I have almost lost the need for a hard alloy the only time I look for a hard alloy is for penetration but I am repeating what has already been said
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Post by bula on May 17, 2021 12:06:09 GMT -5
It's kinda shame that the label, hard cast came to be. So often the wrong solution. The correctly cast for the intended use, of the correct size...and I have seldom cast, just followed these kinda threads for years.
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Post by sixshot on May 17, 2021 17:28:51 GMT -5
Guess we can all laugh when we see "hard cast" which can be anything from 10 BHN up to 22 BHN!! If they shoot good in your gun, just call them hard cast.....
Dick
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Post by leadhound on May 17, 2021 18:59:46 GMT -5
It's kinda shame that the label, hard cast came to be. So often the wrong solution. The correctly cast for the intended use, of the correct size...and I have seldom cast, just followed these kinda threads for years. Can always take it to mean anything harder than pure dead soft lead.
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Post by x101airborne on May 18, 2021 21:20:22 GMT -5
That was why I started this thread! I can water quench a mediocre alloy and it will be "hard". I can take that same alloy and shatter it like glass against the right medium at the right velocity. A rifle bullet made of Linotype will be a varmint grenade. I have never fired a pistol bullet made of Linotype, so I dont know. I imagine it would work about the same.
Point is, unless I missed it, no one can define "hardcast" in performance, hardness or recipe. I know Max can tell us how it performs as far as purchased commercial ammunition or bullets, but does anyone know how to make it and have it hold up?? I could sell someone water quenched wheel weight bullets and call them "hardcast" and yes, when you hit a whitetail in the lungs and it goes all the way through someone might say "Oh yeah, them hardcast bullets went right through the animal.". Well ya dont say?!
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Post by bigbore5 on May 30, 2021 17:28:59 GMT -5
My uncle always said: Dead soft= pure lead Softcast= up to 11bhn Standards = 11-14bhn Hardcast= 14bhn and harder.
I always knew what alloy he meant.
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