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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2020 21:24:48 GMT -5
 Was shooting a Blackhawk this morning, and the transfer bar broke. Was told it happens sometimes. What are your experiences with the issue? I ordered a couple new ones and was told they should be drop in fit. Love this gun, probably shot it 1500 times since April. Maybe too much? It's custom 45 colt. 99% firing standard loads. Unique my favorite powder. Realizing I need to learn some skills in Ruger tuning if I'm going to continue down my custom gun owner path. |
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Post by bigmuddy on Dec 21, 2020 23:20:28 GMT -5
I’ve broken a few, one as recent as last week. All have been in Vaquero 45’s that I competed with. Each had been fired many thousand times, and dry fired many more. I keep spares on hand.
Several other Blackhawks that have never had one break.
Dan
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Post by x101airborne on Dec 22, 2020 8:00:52 GMT -5
I had no idea they broke at all.
Learn something new every day!
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Post by Ken O'Neill on Dec 22, 2020 8:13:40 GMT -5
I've had many dozens of Ruger transfer bar- guns, some since 1973, and many with high volume shooting, and never had one break.
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Post by potatojudge on Dec 22, 2020 10:33:48 GMT -5
I've had one break during dry fire.
Cheap drop in part, but AFAIK that's the weak link in these guns. Not common, but definitely not unheard of. You don't hear about broken springs or pawls, hammers or triggers snapping off, any of that though I'm sure it happens.
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Post by RDW on Dec 22, 2020 11:00:10 GMT -5
Was shooting a Blackhawk this morning, and the transfer bar broke. Was told it happens sometimes. What are your experiences with the issue? I ordered a couple new ones and was told they should be drop in fit. Love this gun, probably shot it 1500 times since April. Maybe too much? It's custom 45 colt. 99% firing standard loads. Unique my favorite powder. Realizing I need to learn some skills in Ruger tuning if I'm going to continue down my custom gun owner path. Can you get me a pic of the broken transfer bar. I have seen it happen and i believe i can explain why they sometimes do. It has been the bars fault in the cases i have seen. It did not lay flat against the back of the frame, firing pin and cylinder pin. Upon inspection on the last two they were slightly warped from front to back at the top and when they were smacked up against the firing pin the the part that touches the cylinder pin coming thru the frame, did not lay flat against the frame and stress did its thing. One had the pin thru the trigger break clean off and you could see where it had been rocking, and the other snapped off right at the top of the spot where it touches the cylinder pin. |
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Post by kgb on Dec 22, 2020 12:44:01 GMT -5
I started getting misfires with my Blackhawk's transfer bar as it wore at the top, I've owned the gun since 1981. With the gun cocked, the bar just barely covered the pin. It would rise higher to completely cover the pin with the trigger pulled fully back, but apparently lightly tripping the sear did not raise it enough for full surface contact--it wound up being beaten concave at the tip and started misfiring. For 100 percent ignition the hammer would have to be held while the trigger was held fully back, the hammer then being let fly. Maybe a quick, hard pull without holding the hammer would raise the bar enough for sufficient coverage, in an emergency. Ruger offered a free replacement which dropped right in, this was maybe 15 years ago. Seems it would be hard to break a bar, maybe some are more brittle than others?
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Post by bradshaw on Dec 22, 2020 13:54:36 GMT -5
I started getting misfires with my Blackhawk's transfer bar as it wore at the top, I've owned the gun since 1981. With the gun cocked, the bar just barely covered the pin. It would rise higher to completely cover the pin with the trigger pulled fully back, but apparently lightly tripping the sear did not raise it enough for full surface contact--it wound up being beaten concave at the tip and started misfiring. For 100 percent ignition the hammer would have to be held while the trigger was held fully back, the hammer then being let fly. Maybe a quick, hard pull without holding the hammer would raise the bar enough for sufficient coverage, in an emergency. Ruger offered a free replacement which dropped right in, this was maybe 15 years ago. Seems it would be hard to break a bar, maybe some are more brittle than others? ***** kgb.... pulled out a couple of Blackhawk blued transfer bars, both made in Southport CT at different times. (Ruger moved single action manufacture in Newport NH in 1992.) The face of one measures .066” thick; the other measures .052-inch. Didn’t didn’t measure stainless. Broke the transfer bar with the 37th shot from my Silhouette Super during the quest to set the 40x40 Revolver Record. (Dave Whitman did it months later in California with his Silhouette Super.) I was furious, but I had just smacked a ram square amidships with Sierra 240 JHC at 205 meters, for a “ringer.” Ruger sent a handful of transfer bars. Bill Ruger, Jr., took a Super Blackhawk out of the box, clamped it in the dry fire machine. It ran for a couple of days or a week, or until Bill, Jr., shut off the machine: “It was cutting into beer money. Didn’t do anything to the gun.” And, no, there was no pinch between hammer & frame. May be time to check LETOFF. Cock revolver, gently squeeze trigger----very light accumulation of pressure, applied straight back. At HAMMER FALL, trigger must sweep rearward. This raises transfer bar to overlap firing pin. If sear engagement is worn or has been altered, trigger may kick forward. As trigger kicks, transfer bar drops. If transfer bar drops below firing pin, or strikes just the edge, revolver will MISFIRE. Since this syndrome developed over time, I suspect a FUGITIVE TRIGGER. I’ve never encountered a warper or dented transfer bar. David Bradshaw |
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Post by cas on Dec 22, 2020 18:17:12 GMT -5
Once it's replaced.... cock the gun, pull and holding the trigger back, drop the hammer. Watch the hammer closely where it meets the frame, then release the trigger. If your hammer moves forward when you do this (as the transfer bar drops out from under it), you have insufficient hammer clearance and your hammer is battering the transfer bar.
The transfer bar should be pushing the firing pin in, then just as it is getting in all the way, the hammer nose should be hitting the frame. So the frame is taking most of the hammer blow, not the transfer bar.
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Post by squawberryman on Dec 22, 2020 19:46:43 GMT -5
You stated you have a custom revolver but you didn't share a picture. With only 54 posts you are forgiven.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2020 20:49:18 GMT -5
Added image. It's Clements custom 45 colt Blackhawk. Mr Clements has been very helpful and I have no intention of belittling his legendry. Ruger designed parts to wear out without destroying the entire gun. I love this gun!
Six shot. Bisley.
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Post by wheelguns on Dec 22, 2020 20:57:53 GMT -5
It’s a beauty! I bet it shoots better than it looks.
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Post by messybear on Dec 23, 2020 8:48:57 GMT -5
Does anyone know if the stainless parts that Ruger uses now are more brittle? I have noticed some of the new ones that could have benefited from smoothing and polishing.
They seem a little cruder than the old chrome moly or whatever the blued ones where made from.
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Post by junebug on Dec 23, 2020 21:51:18 GMT -5
I have had only one break in 45 years . It was in my original 7 1/2 New model .45.
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Post by dhd on Dec 24, 2020 6:58:45 GMT -5
Added image. It's Clements custom 45 colt Blackhawk. Mr Clements has been very helpful and I have no intention of belittling his legendry. Ruger designed parts to wear out without destroying the entire gun. I love this gun! Six shot. Bisley. Yeah, that's nice. 5 or 6 shot? |
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